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* 1974 CB/CL 450 Tracker/Cafe Project Update - 4/20/07 *
(Pardon the crappy pics - not much light in the post office)

Went into the city again last night to get some more work done on the bike. It was a late one, as I didnt get home till after 1am. My new Avon RoadRider tires are mounted and back on the bike. Def. give the bike a "beefier" look/feel than before. Sizes are 120/80/18 in the rear and 100/90/19 up front. The 120 def. fills up the swingarm nicely, compared to the pizza cutter that was on their before. Along with that we got alittle speed hole crazy on the rear of the bike while the wheel was off (see below). More speed holes to be drilled as the bike progresses.. ;D

Below is the 1st of many videos I am gonna host of the bike so you guys can hear what the "Franken-Exhaust" sounds like. This vid was shot about 12:30am this morning with my buddy Danny putting the bike thru the gears down Western avenue  ;D You really cant hear just how loud this little bike is, becasuse on the video below the exhaust is exiting away from the camera (trust me-it's loud ;D
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q49/ProTeal55/?action=view&current=CB450-1.flv
I will get some more vid of the bike idling and stuff once the carbs get worked out...

I also took some more pics of the reasets and exhaust per request (@ 300 dpi). The problem is not with my camera, it is the fact the post office has bad lighting. Once the bike gets finished and I have some time to clean it up alittle, I will take it outside and get some better pics - but untill then --->




Besides some more little odd's and ends, the actual building of the bike is done. Now I just need to spend some time getting it running the best I can, clean the carbs, etc...

Stay tuned  ;D
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What??? Can't hear you...

You don't hear many parallel twins anymore.  Sounds great - I wouldn't believe it was a 450 by the sound.

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HA!  I was watching and thinking, 'holy crap, he's gonna come by at a hundred miles per hour!' but then he just comes crusing by.   ;D

Sounds killa!

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HA!  I was watching and thinking, 'holy crap, he's gonna come by at a hundred miles per hour!' but then he just comes crusing by.   ;D
He was actually in the bike full bore when he passed (has some carb/jetting issues 4 sure).
My buddy Danny fits the bike much better than I do, so I said he could blast it around the neighborhood for helping me as much as he has. I will beat the hell outta it once the bike actually wants to idle on it's own  ::)

Def. doesnt sound like a CB450, thats 4 sure... ;D
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What's the thing in the last picture on the bottom of the brake rearset?

Looks very good. Thanks for the pics.

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What's the thing in the last picture on the bottom of the brake rearset?
You mean the bracket to attach the brake linkage ?
It isnt the prettiest thing in the world but it works. Plans called for it to
be speed holed but that can happen at a later date. I am running out of time (about one week) to get this bike up and running for the Rockers Reunion Ride...
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It's the thing in the last picture that attaches to the bottom of the right foot lever and anchore to the frame. The silver thingie.

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It's the thing in the last picture that attaches to the bottom of the right foot lever and anchor to the frame. The silver thingie.

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Oh, That is my shift rod.
We welded a plate onto the center stand "axle" if you will, then drilled a hole in it.
That rod you speak of pulls the plate, and then activates the rear brake...
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Lookin Killer PT!
Thanks man, much appreciated....

The carbs are coming off tonite for a complete cleaning, and then once they get back on the bike we can spend time time tuning it and sorted out the last of the little BS issues...

I will get some better pics of the bike out in the sun this weekend at the Rockers Reunion (along with some event pics)...
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Oooops - I just scared the hek out of my officemates with that bit of audio!!!!  Better disconnect the speakers!


PT - lookin' and soundin' fantastic!

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* Project "SLiM" Update 4/24/07 *

The CB/CL450 project is just about ready to take it's first spin in the city, for this Saturday's Rockers Reunion vintage bike show/run, which of course is being put on by my fellow Ton-up Chicago guys  ;D
The carbs are at my buddy Steven's house getting completely dis-assembled, cleaned, and put back together. He is going to bring them back to the post office tomorrow night and tune/time the bike for me. This is the same guy who put the killer tune in Cursed's CB750, as well as who is gonna tune my other bike. He has been a motorcycle guru for years, and really knows these old Honda's. I would like to get some seat time on this bike before Saturday, but of course the Chicago weather doesn't want to cooporate (50 and raining today thru the rest of the week ::)). Worst case I go down to the post office early Saturday morning and ride the bike around before the show (starts at 2pm).

I basically have to learn how to ride all over again on this bike, with the aggressive riding position it has. With the tight/compact cafe seat and the rearsets you really are stretched out on this thing (almost like a drag bike). So from me riding my stock controlled CB750 to jumping on this thing is def. a change. Plus the 1/4 turn throttle is super sensitive so I need to get used to applying the front brake without jumping on the gas  ;D I am sure I will get used to it, just anything else I need some time on it.

Once this show deadline/nonsense is over with I am gonna bring the bike home and do some little clean-up things to it, like paint some parts, do alittle more speed holin, and possibly move the rearsets forward and up alittle to make it alittle more comfortable for me. As a rule I like my controls alittle closer, as I feel I have more force on them when I shift/brake. I feel that if I move the rearsets I might change my mind and end up keeping this little bike (I don't know what the hell I am gonna do..)

I promise to get some more video's up and posted of the bike, and especially me riding the bike at speed so you guys can hear just how nasty those pipes are (wait till you hear them when I downshift ;D). I also need to get some vid's up of the CB750....

Stay tuned, this is just getting good.... ;)
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I, for one, am looking forward to the Sunday morning update. Make sure to take a bunch of pics and videos.

--Be safe, Chris

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* 1974 HONDA CB/CL 450 PROJECT UPDATE 4/27/07 *

She be done !!!  ;D

Last night the post office was rockin with progress on the CB450 project. My bud Steven from the Ton-Up club brought my carbs back, freshly cleaned and bead blasted (look great). I owe him allot for the help, as well as my buddy Danny and Chris (cursed)..Those went back on the bike and after a few turns of the screwdriver the bike was running better than it ever has. A new brake rod was made up to raise the pedal on the rearset, and thus make it alittle easier to apply the rear brake. Some cleanup on the wiring, addition of a battery tender lead, and a few other things and we are done ! And for the people who were wondering how the exhaust exit's while I am on the bike I took some pics for you to see (pardon the ripped pants - long story)-->


With the angle of the pipes along with the 45 bend turnouts I dont think I am gonna have any issues with exhaust heat/buring my pants/etc. Even after blasting the bike around the pipes really dont ge that hot, espeically yhr part where I wrapped them twice..It was rainning pretty much on and off all day, but we got a small window where it was dry out to take the bike up and down the street for some more 'shakedown" runs  ;D See the latest video's below -->
Here's Danny taking it down Western--->
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q49/ProTeal55/?action=view&current=CB450-2.flv
And here he is doing a fly-by---->
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q49/ProTeal55/?action=view&current=CB450-3.flv
I think I am gonna re-name this bike "cut-off" becasue both my buddy Danny & I both cut cutoff pretty hard last night while riding the bike down Western (within 5 min from each other). Mine was allot closer than his, but both still could of been pretty bad. Atleast I know the brakes work  ::). If I end up keeping this bike a dual-disc front end is def. in it's future...

We met the deadline for the Rockers Reunion (tomorrow 4/28/07), which is killer. The bike is low/loud/and from how much I have rode it seems really streetable. I am gonna go down early tomorrow to the post office and get some seat time in before I head over to the show (1pm). As promised I plan to take a bunch of pics of the bike at the show, and whatever else I think you guys would enjoy seeing..

Ride safe - and watch out for the cagers... ::)

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I think I am gonna re-name this bike "cut-off" becasue both my buddy Danny & I both cut cutoff pretty hard last night while riding the bike down Western (within 5 min from each other). Mine was allot closer than his, but both still could of been pretty bad. Atleast I know the brakes work  ::). If I end up keeping this bike a dual-disc front end is def. in it's future...

SO much for Loud pipes save lives, huh?   ;D ;D

Sweet lookin' bike, man. Well done. And good luck today! Have fun! Wish I could be there.
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* Project Update 4-29-07 *

Woke up early yesterday and headed down to the post office to mess around with the bike before I headed to the Rockers Reunion. With the recent weather I really didnt have any time to actually ride the bike and put some miles on it..After swapping the plate off the CB750 onto the CB450 I was ready to roll.. ;D The first issue I was faced with was the bike not wanting to start. After figuring out the "sweet spot" of where the choke needed to be that issue was solved. Then I figured I would take it for a spin down Western to get some gas. I almost killed myself pulling onto the street because the throttle cable(s) were being pinched/pulled under the tank every time I turned the bars  ::). Never been on a bike where you dont need to turn the throttle to rev it  ;D

So we got the bike back to the post office, pulled the tank and re-routed the throttle cable so each side (one cable that splits to two) was on each side of the backbone. The tank goes back on the the issue was solved. By this time about 3 or 4 other guys showed up and were ready to get rollin to the show (about 15 blocks away). So, off we go.

Keep in mind this is the first time I have had this bike out on the road, in traffic, etc..
You feel like you are superman on this bike with the low bars and way far back rearsets. The seat LOOKS good but def. is not as comfy as my Gualarri seat on my CB750. The rear brake def. needs to be adjusted because it basically didn't do anything to stop me. The 1/2 turn throttle is WAY too touchy, and makes hitting the front brake "intresting" to say the least, so thats gonna get changed 4 sure. I hit a few solid bumps and was surprised on how well the bike took them. That big front tire had allot to do with it I am sure. This bike is def. a stoplight racer, and makes my CB750 feel like a Roadking  ;D

So about 1/2 way into the show our buddy Steven's low oil light lights up on his CB350 Cafe racer. So we pull into a gas station so he can check it out. Seems as if when he re-built the motor over the winter he forget to put oil in it  ::) ;D ;D. So I sat in amazement to watch him dump 2 1/2 quarts of oil in that thing. Gotta love a Honda right ?  ;D This whole time my bike was idling because I didn't want to shut it off, and deal with starting it again. Just sitting their making a whole bunch of noise as it idled along..Some more fellow Ton-Uppers came by and were looking over the bike when WHAM, the bike dies. :-X. So I think I must of had the gas off. I go to check, gas is "on". I look at the headlite and I got nothing :'(. The thing is dead in the water ! So after a few select swear words and me almost launching my hat across Diversy we decide to try and push start it. Mind you it is about 80 outside and most of us are "rockered" up to dress the part for the show. I was just wearing jeans a work shirt but allot of the guys were in full leathers and what not..After 3 or 4 attempts we figure out the thing aint gonna start, so I start pushing..I was only about 5 blocks away, but 5 blocks in the city is allot different than 5 blocks in the burbs.. :-\ I did try to be pushed by another guy on his bike and what not, but that was just a bad situation, so I pushed it..

Long story short I finally get the bike to the show, and back it into a space in front of Delilah's. I pull the seat and everything looks in order, no burned or melted wires, etc. My guess is something is wrong with the charging system , and I prob. have been riding the thing on battery power alone this whole time. So now of course everyone at the show is all over my bike like flys on #$%*. The pipes, speed holes, schwin grips, and the bike's low stance itself was a HUGE hit. I answered more questions and got more praise on this bike then I ever did on the CB750 (which felt nice after my pushing). I had about 70% of the vote for the best cafe racer but the club officials decided it would look kinda bad if a club member won (kinda looks biased), and especially for a bike that wasn't running on it own power (which I understand). I did get the thing started once and made it down the street full throttle for the crowd, but ended up pushing it back to it's spot  ;D The whole show stopped when I got that thing running, which was a good feeling..

So all in all it was a good day, just alittle disappointing. Knowing my riding was done for the day I decided I might as well enjoy the show and drink, drink, drink. And thats exactly what I did. Wait till the pictures get posted fromthe show, and I betcha two to 1 that I am holding a Crown Royal & Coke. The bike got towed back to the post office in my buddies truck, put on the battery tender, went home and crashed out.. We are gonna tear into the wiring this week and figure/fix the issue.

Long day - but a good one.
The bike will be 100% come Mods Vs. Rockers time, and I am taking that damn 1st place this time !! ;D
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Damn!  Even with the all the problems, sounds like an awesome day!!!  They should have given you award simply for pushing your bike 5 blocks (member or no-member)!  But with all the crowd appreciation, it sounds like all your work paid off in SPADES!

Congrats!

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Wow! Thats quite an experience. I'm sure my luck with the bike would have been the same. I've had a couple experiences kind of like that where my bike failed me at the worst time. Pushing 5 blocks sounds ruff. I've done that with a friends bike.
It sounds like you really dig the bike and others as well.
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It sounds like you really dig the bike and others as well.
Ya, it def. was an experience I will not forget (which is what I am all about).
I am all about the bike for sure, as I am keeping this and the CB750 for the time being.

This week the wiring is going to be pulled apart (i hate removing electrical tape :-\), to try and track down the charging issue. Other things that need to be addressed on the CB/CL450 are:
1. New universal throttle (to replace the 1/4 turn on their now)
2. New solo clutch lever (to replace the craked one on the bike now- dont ask ::))
3. Fit a CB750 front-end on the bike with cross-drilled dual discs (gonna look badass on this little bike)
4. Have the stock tank wetsanded and buffed (to get it looking the best it can)
5. Ride the tires offa it  ;D

And just when you thought the bike was done I go and want to put a dual disc CB750 front-end on it  ;D ;D
The first bunch of pics of Saturday's event are listed below -->
http://photoshow.comcast.net/watch/nq3qE4GR
And as I said I am in allot (sideburns-baseball hat - workshirt-drinking)  ;D
Even Cursed1's bike got a few pics (becasue he parked next to my 450 - thats why  ;D)...
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Cool pics and even cooler bikes!

I noticed cop cars in the background of quite a few pics, was that the same car or were they circling like vultures awaiting the feast?   ;D

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I noticed cop cars in the background of quite a few pics, was that the same car or were they circling like vultures awaiting the feast?   ;D
Their was a heavy cop "presence" at the show, but they werent being dicks or anything.
Allot of them were into bikes, and just had to work that day (tax payer dollars at work ;D)
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Here are some pics I could find  with me in them --->

Me when I first got their on the 1st Crown Royal & Coke of the day (it was a double)..


Me outside talking to some people about the dead CB450 (no drinking outside - thus no drink)


My buddy Chris (Cursed1) and I sitting inside (cant see my drink but it is their)


Myself, Steven and Triumph Bobber Danny inside having a drink (surprise surprise ;D)


I am sure more photos of my one day drinking binge will be posted soon  ;D
This is just more reason to make sure my bikes are 100% before I head to any kinda show  ;D ;D
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* * * 1974 Honda CB/CL450 Update 5/4/07 * * *

The Bike is Fixed !!!
Came down to be something small/stupid that I knew it was gonna be.
Seems as if Honda wired these bikes kinda goofy back in the day. When the bike was stock the headlite only cam on when the rider turned it on (not like today when they are always on). When the headlite was OFF, only 1/2 the charging system was working on the bike. The minute the headlite was switched ON, the other 1/2 of the charging system was basically turned on. My issue was that I was running with a H4 bulb on all the time with the charging system only working at 1/2 capacity (thus my dead bike last Saturday). All we had to do was jump the wire and now the charging system is running at 100% all the time the bike is running. I am still gonna hookup a small toggle switch to turn on/off the headlite just incase I need to conserve some power (it will at least get me home if needed)..

I cant say how happy this issue is solved. Me and electrial issues DO NOT mix. I would rather float a valve or take out a piston , cause then at least I know what the issue is. Trying to find an electrial issue is not fun..
A HUGE thanks goes out to Stan a.k.a STANDZCHOP on this board, for helping me out in my time of need. This guy really knows his bikes, as he knew exactly what the issue was when I told him what had happened and how it went down. Great guy, with a wicked SOHC CB750 chopper to boot !

Now plans call to clean up the wiring (we tore EVERYTHING apart), and get that all back looking pretty, and ride the thing. I need to get more miles on it and see what other issues pop up..
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Don't you love it when it is something simply?

Now...

... ride the tire off of that thing!!!!   ;D ;D :D
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