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RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« on: March 22, 2016, 09:43:11 AM »
What do you guys know about 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP?  There is one for sale cheap.  It looks like it could be a cool touring bike or custom.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2016, 11:28:33 AM »
Junk.
Let me know where it is to get rid of it....lol

They are the Italian Harley. 
Simple lumps.  Can be a lot of fun!

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2016, 12:40:43 PM »
Junk.
Let me know where it is to get rid of it....lol

They are the Italian Harley. 
Simple lumps.  Can be a lot of fun!

Lost the info.  Read some reviews on the new ones that said they are not all that impressive.  I saw $175 and thought there might be an opportunity.

The CBs have all but dried up...

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 02:11:14 PM »
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 02:28:57 PM »
Junk.
Let me know where it is to get rid of it....lol

They are the Italian Harley. 
Simple lumps.  Can be a lot of fun!

Lost the info.  Read some reviews on the new ones that said they are not all that impressive.  I saw $175 and thought there might be an opportunity.

The CBs have all but dried up...

$175 is stealing it, good bikes , relatively easy to work on, and can be modded very easily...

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-1000-sp-caf-racer-by-officine-rossopuro-ar86429.html
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 03:42:15 PM »
I guess it don't matter now as I can't find the ad.  It looks like the value is going to really start rising for our SOHC4s as areas like upstate NY have been cleaned out.  Even Columbus, OH is demanding higher prices for CB750s.  That is where I got Pop-A-Wheelie from for $750 bucks.  It is just unreal.  Seems like any old bikes are hours, and hours from me.

I think I will do my last two a 72, and a 74 up right and store them away until they are worth 10k.  Should not be long at the rate they are undergoing "improvements".

That is the reason for this post looking for an alternative to the infamous Honda CB as they are just about out.  I got that spring hunter thing going on. 

How about this turkey http://york.craigslist.org/mcy/5453270047.html

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 04:34:30 PM »
Market has changed, not dried up.

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 07:03:27 PM »
Turkey? That's an Italian made Benelli!  Could be very cool, look...


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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 06:29:52 AM »
Chewy - you might just want to investigate the vintage Airhead market. These bikes are still plentiful, hold their value exceptionally well, and have a devout cult following. Easy to work on, parts still widely available (actually, you can rebuild an entire new one from scratch) and they fetch very good prices. And most you find won't be hacked and chopped up into "street projects" by hipsters.
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 07:04:22 AM »
Chewy - you might just want to investigate the vintage Airhead market. These bikes are still plentiful...

Not bad advice Cal but the oldest one in his area right now is a '95.

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/search/mca?sort=rel&query=bmw


What are your thoughts of this one?

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mcy/5482490727.html?lang=es&cc=mx

I think it looks like a pig and is way overpriced having 90K miles!
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2016, 07:23:05 AM »
Brit bikes is where its at right now.

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2016, 07:41:44 AM »
Not bad advice Cal but the oldest one in his area right now is a '95.
https://syracuse.craigslist.org/search/mca?sort=rel&query=bmw


What are your thoughts of this one?
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mcy/5482490727.html?lang=es&cc=mx

I think it looks like a pig and is way overpriced having 90K miles!
That 6.3 gallon tank is desirable by many, but not by me for a "street bike". Its a touring tank. The bike in Atlanta is over-priced considering the non-stock front end, seat, bars etc. Its apparently a STF bike, but at $1900 for a quality runner, I'd be all over it. Easy enough to put that bike right (add a fairing or replace the tank). Boyer electronic ignitions were more plentiful mods than Dynas, but thats nit picking.

The airhead was an absolute framing hammer for reliability. The exhaust valves tended to wear around 50k, but with the dual plug head mod on this one, I'd say that is not an issue.

You'd find better listings on the BMOA forum than CycleTrader usually for airheads. For some reason, Wisconsin and Michigan have tons of vintage airheads up for sale regularly. Another great option for Chewy (based upon geo) is the GS model. Odd looking, but incredibly deceiving how well it handles, tours, and goes for such a beast of looking bike. I rode X-country on my K with a buddy on his R/RS and another guy on his R/GS. No matter where we went, how fast, or weather conditions, the guy could not be shaken from our tails (and we tried in certain canyons  >:( ). I rode it some that rip, and swore if it weren't so stinking ugly, I'd own one. Or if I lived in New England, Alaska, or the Desert mountains where pavement can end suddenly.
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2016, 07:46:45 AM »
Brit bikes is where its at right now.

In your opinion.

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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2016, 07:51:15 AM »
Brit bikes is where its at right now.
In your opinion.
I know RevDoc certainly doesn't share that opinion... Nor do i. I love Brit cars, but their bikes have never been a turner for me.
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Re: RE: 1978 Moto Guzzi 1000 SP
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2016, 08:11:27 AM »
Brit bikes is where its at right now.

In your opinion.



Correct.  This is the web, so everything is an opinion.

Over the last few years CBs have exceeded value and demand when compared to Brit bikes.
Now I feel the market is correcting.  And in my opinion rightfully so.

I can, and have been, buying "barn find" Brit Bikes cheaper then the CB counter part.  I have found that Brit Bikes cost less to run though for a flip and seem to have a larger margin in them.

Look at the Norton Commando prices right now.  A few nice bikes have brought big money. 

I do not really see much growth in a BMW.  Don't see much loss, or having to spend much time waiting to sell if you wanted to cash out though.

Nice Guzzi and some Ducatis are on fire.
Same for 80s super bikes.

Maybe I am talking about a different "market" though.  I look for stuff that can be had "cheap" and is around in many spots.  This gives me the options to find the best example or the best one for what I want to do.  This "market" also has a few demanding buyers that if you tick all of their boxes will pay up.  I am not talking about the CB market (or how I see it) right now.  Most of the listings have prices that reflect knowledge that many people are paying lots of money.  Also many of the people buying are just buying because they think that is what they should be doing.  There is this strange auto pilot going on.  To me that is a sign to run away from the market.

Not to say it is all bad.
There are sections of the CB hobby that I feel (opinion again) are vastly undervalued.

Look at this.
http://starr-cycle.com/Motorcycles-Honda-CB750-Seeley-1977-4299b592-bce5-4932-8c3c-a5ca0055e11a

Bought out of FL about two years ago via eBay for about $13k
Listed since then.

How much rare and interesting can you have for the money?
If people are asking, and in some cased getting, $8k for "meh" examples of mid year CBs....then I think the Seeley is undervalued.
There is more then 50% more fun in there for sure!


Want anther thing to look at?
Early GS750 Suzuki.

DIRT cheap and a better bike then the DOHC CBs.
At first zero people cared because Hipsters could only spell Honda.
Now people are starting to look at the GS and pay up for really nice ones.
SO spend some time and hunt a really good one.  Don't pay a lot because there is little demand. 
Enjoy said bike while hunting for the person to buy it for a health mark up.

Go a little more modern.
Has anyone seen what an RC51 goes for these days?

I am not down that hard on the CB hobby, but it just isn't this cash cow for everyone and their mother any more.
Think Muscle cars ten years ago....