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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2016, 09:24:00 AM »
I'm in montana, but we could do it over the phone or Skype if interested
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2016, 09:25:56 AM »
eliminate the linkage first,

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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2016, 09:33:55 AM »
Ok sounds good, what should I look for in the linkage exactly?
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2016, 10:15:11 AM »
Picked up a 75f out the junk yard once and had the same problem, the dogs were pretty well rounded off and the shift drum and forks were rough too. Its not to bad to split the cases and fix hardest parts is getting the motor out. As mentioned already hot rodding the hell out of these motors will break the transnisssion with out a doubt i have torn a few transmissions up on my turbo 750 from given it hell. You'll get her going dont give up on her yet

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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2016, 10:43:34 AM »
Absolutely not, I can't give up now. What should I look for with the linkage?
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2016, 11:02:47 AM »
Make sure all pieces are there and they are not bent out of shape and all move smoothly.

Dinos video is very helpful.

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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2016, 11:06:19 AM »
Alrighty guys, thanks a ton. I probably won't dig into it until Thursday, I will post an update and some picture when I do
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2016, 11:10:56 AM »
just thek for broken springs..and bend/broken or Loose/missing parts.some photoes of a perfekt gear..to thek up detals is a big help
.it must klearly Lock in evry gear vith a KLICK..
.some light turning of the rear hveel is somtine a help for easyer shif. .as stasonary it can Lock a bit up.
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2016, 12:19:26 PM »
I would take 3 close up, decent pictures of the linkage assembly in 1st, N, and 2nd if you could and that may give guys a clear look at the linkage anyway.
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2016, 12:23:47 PM »
Yep do like  strynbeon said git the back wheel up off the ground with the center stand or blocks so you can roll the back wheel back and fourth. Pull the cover and slip the shifter lever back on and shift it through the gears, rocking the wheel back and fourth makes it easier. Look at everything real close and make sure its working properley once you put your eyes on it you will have a better understanding of how it works

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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2016, 01:18:56 PM »
I will take very good pictures and update this post with thwm. Like I said it will be thursday or friday. Thanks a ton guys
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Re: Bike popping out of gear?
« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2016, 07:57:43 PM »
Absolutely not, I can't give up now. What should I look for with the linkage?


broken spring like strynboen said.  Hope it is simple for you...Larry

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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2016, 06:32:31 PM »
I just took it for a ride again. All gears seem to be hold except for first.  It pops out under light load. Any suggestions?
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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2016, 07:04:29 PM »
I have the shift cover off, I shift up to fifth, seems fine. As I am coming back down I keep getting flash neutral between 4th and 3rd, and 3rd to second. Not really sure what to look for here
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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2016, 07:29:46 PM »

Small video of going through the gears and the mechanism
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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2016, 08:44:01 PM »
Hmm... nothing really seems to jump out at me as a issue in the video. 

I think those "false neutrals" you mention are just because the everything is stationary.  Sometimes you have be turning the counter sprocket to get it to shift smoothly.

Maybe someone with more experience noticed an issue.  Otherwise I think you're going to have to split the cases :(
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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2016, 10:14:49 PM »
So here's my conclusuon... I had a spare motor, I split the case to get an idea of what I am getting into. I do not feel comfortable doing this to my motor. So I am looking for someone who would be interested in splitting the cases and diagnosing/ fixing this problem. I am in montana, but I am willing to travel. If you are interested or could point me in the right direction I sure would appreciate  it. Thank you
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Re: Bike popping out of gear? Update!
« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2016, 10:57:04 PM »
This is what I see, it's a bit long winded. TLDR, New fork and gears.

I see that while changing up (lever up) it is pulling the drum too far, then snapping back into the detent position.
Can you pull the lever up hard and hold it, then watch if the drum moves at all to let the big detent wheel set between the pins as you let it relax. If anything the detent wheel should be pulling it the last little bit into position with the lever up all the way.
It seems yours is having to pull it backwards to seat properly after traveling too far.
It's not happening changing down.

  If it's ever been dropped on it's side while in neutral, and the gear lever has hit the ground and been forced up, and it could only go into gear partially because the gearbox was stationary, (like you are finding in the video, the dogs are hitting end to end instead of slipping in between. ) The gear wont be able to move far enough in, but the shift fork is still being forced by the gear drum, that is being forced by the lever. (Can also help shear off the top of the point in the selector drum groove.)
 CB's are heavy. That may have bent the travel stop that prevents the lever moving past the ideal stopping position.

That above can bend the shift fork a little, so when it is in gear it's dogs are engaged slightly less than before, (which isn't much to start with.) It's the beginning of the end, every time it jumps out it takes a little more off the sharp edges of the dogs, until it does it all the time. Straighten or replace the fork and check the condition of the point in the drum groove.

Couple that with holding the lever up after changing into second, It's rotating the drum too far, (the selector fork has effectively gone over the top of the hill, in the groove in the drum, and started on it's way out of gear already, pulling the rounded top of the dogs into contact with each other and ramping it back out of gear against the fork.

 False neutral between 2-3. drum was too far around, If it kicks out of gear back down towards the real neutral the drum wasn't pulled around far enough.

I'm a tight***, so I welded and reshaped the "top of the hill" in the drum groove and straightened the fork, actually made it engage further in than than the original. Ground the tops off the dogs, (not the sides) to get clearance between the gears with the new long reach fork, that now can reach the good straight edges of the dogs. Never jumped out of gear before I dropped it, hasn't jumped out since.

The thread above yours when I was looking contained this article which is related to what I'm trying to say about the lever travel.

http://honda-cb750-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/file/n4054341/MotorcyclistJuly1981ShifterArticle.pdf

I think you will be splitting it, and replacing forks and maybe gears.
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