Topic: What Basic tools & Special Tools Substitute to get for the CB750 Build Project?

[oldskullero]

Hi CB750 Fans and Followers.

So I got this full list of Special Tools from the CB750 Shop Manual. Can you guys suggest any substitute to some of the tools here listed since some of them have universal tools that are readily available to substitute them. And Pls add the other Basic Hand tools that will be very handy on a CB750 Build like what sockets, wrenches, etc. would you suggest to get for anybody who is gonna go for this project build. Pls put your list.

1. 07980-3000100 inlet/exhaust valve seat cutter 90 deg.
2. 07980-5680400 inlet valve seat top cutter
3. 07980-5510400 exhaust valve seat top cutter
4. 07980-5510500 inlet valve seat interior cutter
5. 07980-5510500 exhaust valve seat interior cutter
6. 07981-5510000 valve seat cutter holder
7. 07984-6110000 valve guide reamer
8. 07957-3290000 valve spring compressor
9. 07942-3000000 valveguide driving & removing tool
10. 07908-3230000 valve tappet lock nut wrench
11. 07942-3000200 valve guide driver
12. 07906-3230000 heat bolt 12mm wrench
13. 07954-3000000 piston ring compressor (2 pcs)
14. 07958-3000000 piston base (2pcs)
15. 07933-3000000 AC generator rotor puller
16. 07909-3000000 spark plug wrench
17. 07922-3000000 drive sprocket holder
18. 07916-2830000 clutch lock nut wrench
19. 07945-3000400 counter shaft bearing removal tool
20. 07945-3000500 counter shaft bearing removal tool
21. 07915-2160000 stem nut box wrench
22. 07902-2000000 steering stem top tread wrench
23. 07967-3000000 front fork assembling bar
24. 07959-3290000 rear cushion disassembling &
assembling tool
25. 07914-3230000 master cylinder circlip pliers
26. 07917-3000000 hollow set wrench
27. 07949-3000000 bearing driver handle
28. 07946-3000100 front wheel bearing driver
29. 07946-3000200 pear wheel bearing driver
30. 07945-3000000 final drive shaft bearing driver
31. 07401-0010000 carburator float level guage
32. 07999-3000000 crankshaft turning handle
33. 07910-3230101 retainer wrench
34. 07910-2830000 retaioner wrench
35. 07947-3290000 oil seal guide

[flybox1]

8. 07957-3290000 valve spring compressor

spend about $12   and 5 minutes at home depot and make one like this as youll only use it once.  money saved goes to tools used more often.

[oldskullero]

And what are the things you bought to make such tool like this? It would be great to be more specific on the details or is it the only way or do we have a universal tool that can be bought readily to substitute the valve spring compressors. They might not be used that often but its a great tool to keep around the shop tool collection.

[flybox1]

I bought a $8 c clamp, and a PVC reducer.  The reducer needed to be able to fit the end of the c clamp, and the other needed to be the same OD as the valve spring retainer.  trimmed a space to be able to set the stem keepers.
nothing special.

the only other specialty tool i bought for my build was a valve guide driver tool, and 2 good torque wrenches.  one inlbs and the other in ftlbs.
i had a good multimeter, digital caliper, carb sync gauges, and general automotive tools, impact wrenches,  made piston ring compressors out of hose clamps,

about half that stuff listed you wont even need/use.
Why buy a rotor puller if you dont know if you need one?
crankshaft turning handle?  what is that? lol

[Mantree]

8. 07957-3290000 valve spring compressor

spend about $12   and 5 minutes at home depot and make one like this as youll only use it once.  money saved goes to tools used more often.

C clamps are fantastic brake caliper compressor

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[mystic_1]

Hmm, so, a great many of these are not what I'd call "basic tools".

Do you plan to cut the valve seats yourself?  Going to replace and ream your own valve guides?  If not, then you can omit 1 through 7 and 9 through 11 entirely.

You only need #15 if you'll be separating the alternator rotor from the crankshaft (often unnecessary).

You don't need #24 unless you're going to disassemble the rear shocks.

You only need #25 if you're going to rebuild the master cylinder.

You may not need the piston ring compressors, a lot of us just work the rings into the bores carefully with fingers, one at a time.  There's a taper at the bottom of the stock bore to aid this.




Some of these are specialty versions if standard tools though.

#10 is just a 10mm closed-end wrench, or that's what I use.

For #12 you just need a thin-walled socket to reach some of the head nuts.

For #14 I use short pieces of wood.

#27 through #30 is just a bearing driver set.

For #19 and #20 I use a long piece of pipe and a block of wood to drive off the countershaft bearing.

For #32 I use a 10" crescent wrench.

You don't need a dedicated float gauge (#31), although they are convenient, you can use a set of calipers instead.

Valve spring compressor is covered above, or can be borrowed from your local parts store, if they have one small enough.





You will definitely want #18 for the clutch basket locknut, but you can probably get them on eBay or Amazon that at the dealer.

The stamped metal spark plug wrenches, like the one in the factory tool kit (#16), do work better than a standard plug socket because they get into the recess in the head easier.  A standard socket can work if you can find one with thin enough walls.

1. 07980-3000100 inlet/exhaust valve seat cutter 90 deg.
2. 07980-5680400 inlet valve seat top cutter
3. 07980-5510400 exhaust valve seat top cutter
4. 07980-5510500 inlet valve seat interior cutter
5. 07980-5510500 exhaust valve seat interior cutter
6. 07981-5510000 valve seat cutter holder
7. 07984-6110000 valve guide reamer
8. 07957-3290000 valve spring compressor
9. 07942-3000000 valveguide driving & removing tool
10. 07908-3230000 valve tappet lock nut wrench
11. 07942-3000200 valve guide driver
12. 07906-3230000 heat bolt 12mm wrench
13. 07954-3000000 piston ring compressor (2 pcs)
14. 07958-3000000 piston base (2pcs)
15. 07933-3000000 AC generator rotor puller
16. 07909-3000000 spark plug wrench
17. 07922-3000000 drive sprocket holder
18. 07916-2830000 clutch lock nut wrench
19. 07945-3000400 counter shaft bearing removal tool
20. 07945-3000500 counter shaft bearing removal tool
21. 07915-2160000 stem nut box wrench
22. 07902-2000000 steering stem top tread wrench
23. 07967-3000000 front fork assembling bar
24. 07959-3290000 rear cushion disassembling & assembling tool
25. 07914-3230000 master cylinder circlip pliers
26. 07917-3000000 hollow set wrench
27. 07949-3000000 bearing driver handle
28. 07946-3000100 front wheel bearing driver
29. 07946-3000200 pear wheel bearing driver
30. 07945-3000000 final drive shaft bearing driver
31. 07401-0010000 carburator float level guage
32. 07999-3000000 crankshaft turning handle
33. 07910-3230101 retainer wrench
34. 07910-2830000 retaioner wrench
35. 07947-3290000 oil seal guide

[ekpent]

 Here is some more 'tool talk' http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,141818.msg1608046.html#msg1608046

[mystic_1]

Get yourself one of these and learn to use it:

[oldskullero]

Hi Guys, Its good to know again that we always value on helping members like me and for the discussions and some personal interaction here with our honda CB750 guru, HondaMan, I have kept this next purchases list on the line. Luckily this are Japan based tools in metric size and JIS (JapanIndustrial Standard)  as well. so here is the list:

> Basic Tool Kit for the 1976 CB750F

plus:
1. KTC Kyoto Ratchets: 3/8, 1/4, 1/2 drives
2. KTC Kyoto Sockets: (6point) 6mm to 19mm
3. Impact Driver (not a top brand but made in Japan)
4. Ratchet adapters "1/4 to 3/8" and "1/2 to 3/8"
5. HarborFreight 10mm 6-point Deep Socket

[Mantree]

Any electrical work will need a open berral crimper
Greenlee PA1176 Electrical Terminal Crimper https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007YXBUO6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_GN5hxbAYAFHWD

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[EMac]

Get yourself one of these and learn to use it:

Definitely get this, learn to use it and prepare to break at least one tip!

[flybox1]

Get yourself one of these and learn to use it:

Definitely get this, learn to use it and prepare to break at least one tip!

Use JIS tips for the best result.

[oldskullero]

Hi Guys, Its good to know again that we always value on helping members like me and for the discussions and some personal interaction here with our honda CB750 guru, HondaMan, I have kept this next purchases list on the line. Luckily this are Japan based tools in metric size and JIS (JapanIndustrial Standard)  as well. so here is the list:

> Basic Tool Kit for the 1976 CB750F

plus:
1. KTC Kyoto Ratchets: 3/8, 1/4, 1/2 drives
2. KTC Kyoto Sockets: (6point) 6mm to 19mm
3. Impact Driver (not a top brand but made in Japan)
4. Ratchet adapters "1/4 to 3/8" and "1/2 to 3/8"
5. HarborFreight 10mm 6-point Deep Socket

Yeah i mentioned that. I asked it to be JIS for the impact driver as well. And i forgot to add this:

1. Lock nut socket for the clutch. (Got it from Yamiya. Item no OH006. Can be used with a 3/8 drive rachet.

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[oldskullero]

So here i am guys. The tools i got from japan. The funny thing is its made in taiwan for some of them like the whole tool box with sockets, extensions, ratchet. For the rest its made in japan( hehehehe. Most importantly its free except for the yamiya750.com clutch lock nut tool. Hehehe.

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[oldskullero]

Its ready to get your feedback guys. Let me know what it needs still.



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[mystic_1]

Going back to basic tools, do you have things like:

- Multimeter
- Test light
- needle nose pliers
- regular pliers
- large crescent wrench (10 inch or so)
- Internal and External snap ring pliers
- dead blow hammer
- feeler gauge set
- heat gun
- o-ring pick
- beer
- phillips and standard screwdrivers (or a driver handle which will accept the bits from your impact driver)
- oil drain pan
- funnel
- flashlight
- magnifying glass
- vernier caliper or dial caliper (or digital)
- penetrating oil
- metric combination wrench set

mystic_1

[Mantree]

Going back to basic tools, do you have things like:

- Multimeter
- Test light
- needle nose pliers
- regular pliers
- large crescent wrench (10 inch or so)
- Internal and External snap ring pliers
- dead blow hammer
- feeler gauge set
- heat gun
- o-ring pick
- beer
- phillips and standard screwdrivers (or a driver handle which will accept the bits from your impact driver)
- oil drain pan
- funnel
- flashlight
- magnifying glass
- vernier caliper or dial caliper (or digital)
- penetrating oil
- metric combination wrench set

mystic_1

Don't forget a timing light and if you can find a dwell angle meter

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[BradyN]

I'm also curious about which tools are essential right away for the things I need to do to my bike, and which I could get away with not getting (at least until I need them). I want to have all the tools I'll need for a 3K mile service.

Two essential items are:
A quality set of JIS screw drivers (all screws on your bike are JIS, not Phillips) and of course;
Mark (Hondaman) Paris' book. You can find links to his book and a terrific set of drivers with an impact in the Parts for Sale section or Services Offered or Site Sponsors.

I have a '78 550K, would it be worth it to buy Hondaman's CB750? I understand the engines are very similar, and I want to learn more about how they work. I don't plan on rebuilding my engine in the near future, just possibly working on the head.

I found the thread mentioning the book  in the Site Sponsors forum ("My CB750 book, by Hondaman. new discounts are showing up for Spring!" -> http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,65293.0.html) but I didn't see where the set of drivers are linked to. I've been searching and there seem to be plenty of impact drivers online, but I can't find a set with JIS drivers. I want to pull the clutch case soon to check the condition of the clutch and replace worn parts.

[Phinn]

8. 07957-3290000 valve spring compressor

spend about $12   and 5 minutes at home depot and make one like this as youll only use it once.  money saved goes to tools used more often.

I recommend using a small piece of wood on the other jaw, the one on the underside, to go between the metal clamp face and the valve.  The metal-to-metal contact there can damage the edge of the combustion dome, and some soft wood there keeps the clamp jaw away from the head and serves as a cushion. 

[flybox1]

Hey Phinn....What metal to metal contact?  Its got rubber padding and a big chunk of thick furniture felt on the end of the clamp

On the dwell meter...get a digital multimeter with the dwell function.
Analog units (Actron unit is popular) are crap, and cannot be calibrated.  Its a good waste of $30

[Phinn]

Hey Phinn....What metal to metal contact?  Its got rubber padding and a big chunk of thick furniture felt on the end of the clamp

Yes, a non-metallic spacer is not needed if the clamp has a non-metallic spacer. On a related note, I would also recommend that you don't need to add handles to screwdrivers that already have handles.

[flybox1]

Hey Phinn....What metal to metal contact?  Its got rubber padding and a big chunk of thick furniture felt on the end of the clamp

Yes, a non-metallic spacer is not needed if the clamp has a non-metallic spacer. On a related note, I would also recommend that you don't need to add handles to screwdrivers that already have handles.

Now that's just silly.  I'm sorry if my $.15 sticker of felt bugs you so much.   
The choice to add it was prudent, as the rubber cap did nothing to protect the dome or valve faces from the corners of the metal clamp.

[Mantree]

Hey Phinn....What metal to metal contact?  Its got rubber padding and a big chunk of thick furniture felt on the end of the clamp

On the dwell meter...get a digital multimeter with the dwell function.
Analog units (Actron unit is popular) are crap, and cannot be calibrated.  Its a good waste of $30

Mine is actually a old anolog unit but needs replaced as I busted it when it fell off the seat of my bike

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[jonda500]

I love my old analogue meters, I sure hope I never end up having to use digital ones as I hate them!
I'd love to own a set of JIS screwdrivers, but meantime my phillips heads with the tips filed down a little are doing the job ok.
John

[BradyN]

I have a '78 550K, would it be worth it to buy Hondaman's CB750? I understand the engines are very similar, and I want to learn more about how they work. I don't plan on rebuilding my engine in the near future, just possibly working on the head.

... but I didn't see where the set of drivers are linked to. I've been searching and there seem to be plenty of impact drivers online, but I can't find a set with JIS drivers. I want to pull the clutch case soon to check the condition of the clutch and replace worn parts.

There's a VERY good thread here for reference on your 550:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,86697.0.html


Here you go:
http://www.mcssl.com/store/rrr-tool-solutions/vessel-jis-8-piece-mechanics-shop-quality-screwdriver-set

Wow, thanks for the links. That 550 thread is very in depth.

I saw those screwdrivers, they look nice but I need an impact driver to crack open the clutch cover. Is there a manual impact driver that works with JIS bits? Or can I buy them separately?