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Offline Dunk

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2016, 09:27:29 AM »
I thought Canada had communist healthcare? If so why are you paying for medical insurance as part of your vehicle insurance? If not, what is typical cost for health insurance?

I currently insure one CB750 with Geico for $161/yr. Coverage is $300k un/underinsured. Includes comprehensive w/ $250 deductible ($23/yr) at whatever pittance Geico decides to pay, though I keep records for every penny spent so they can argue with receipts and records all they want but I'd never sign a release or accept any money until they paid exactly what was owed by them in the event of a total loss. Also includes collision w/ $1000 deductible ($30/yr). I will likely drop collision coverage, as there is an at fault person to collect from in that event assuming I'm still alive and it wasn't a hit and run. Also if you go down avoiding say, a selfish liberal left turning prick, but do not make contact with that individuals vehicle, the government will not allow you to seek compensation from that individual and your collision won't cover it as there was no collision. My main concern is theft, and I'll be looking at other insurance companies again to try to find someone who will write an agreed value policy.

Regarding agreed value coverage... Progressive is the only company I'm aware of that will write agreed value policies without limitations. I prefer not to do business with them. I will likely insure my restored bike with Hagerty for agreed value and use my beater 750 for commuting. Hagerty allows unlimited recreation and classic vehicle event/show related use, but restricts commuting to work to max of 20 times per year. Would prefer not to have that limitation, so if anyone knows any companies that do agreed value without restriction please let us know. Please be aware Stated Value is not Agreed Value. Many insurance companies will try to tell you it's the same but they are lying. To simplify, Stated Value is a cap on their payout for repair or total loss, i.e. the maximum they will pay. They want you to say a cap, hoping it's lower than the range of their typical payout for the type of vehicle.


Regarding medical
In the States we have health insurance for that. Your own health insurance pays for medical costs you incur, and negotiates favorable pricing for you. In the event someone else is at fault and caused you injury your health insurance will most likely seek compensation from the at fault person, via their liability insurance up to limits and beyond their liability limits from the individual who caused you harm (and thus the insurance company to incur costs). i.e. you didn't just done down with a bad case of road rash, those bones poking through your skin, and those joints that'll never work the same... At least not like you'd come down with a cold or cancer)

It's a gamble whether to accept treatment costing more than your uninsured/underinsured limits though as our crooked government here allows individuals to file bankruptcy and discharge debts such as those to pay medical treatment for someone you have injured. If you're a big bank well connected to the government, debt cannot be discharged in bankruptcy (i.e. student loans). Very corrupt. Also in some states you have to pay about double for your 4 wheeled insurance to retain the right to hold someone personally liable for medical costs resultant from that person causing you injury while riding your two wheeled vehicle.

TLDR: In most of the States your own health insurance covers your medical expenses at normal plan rates. The at fault person's liability insurance (and the individual, for amounts beyond their liability insurance) reimburses your medical out of pocket, your health insurance company's expenses, your lost earnings, and any negotiated or judgement amount for future expenses, pain/suffering/quality of life change/etc. Your own underinsured/uninsured coverage pays all that for amounts you're unable to collect from a cheap selfish unemployed welfare sucking liberal dirtbag hits you and causes you injury.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2016, 10:32:45 AM »
Well not one in the US has stepped up and discussed the medical coverage they have with these low rates.

With my ~$300/year policy through Progressive, I have $100k bodily injury coverage for each individual involved in an accident, and $300k property damage. These are part of the Liability package with is the minimum required insurance in the States to get a vehicle on the road.
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2016, 10:38:28 AM »
You guys are very fortunate in the unbelievably low rates, yet I didn't see any medical coverage mentioned. Bikes can be replaced.... I can't. I never want to deal with a major medical bill that easily could run into the million dollar range for extended lifetime medical care.

The medical is a big portion of a policy in Canada and so the rates are very expensive. Two 1980's 1000cc bikes cost in the range of $1800. for the season for the two bikes and for that I get 1 Million liability which is the minimum you can have and no fire, theft or collision coverage. That coverage would require an appraisal at $150 per bike to qualify for those coverages on what are considered "vintage" bikes. My medical coverage is 2 Million and will cover pretty well any minor to major injury.

I think in another forum this topic was discussed and I seem to recall that American insurance covered a very low amount of medical like around $35K. I would be interested to hear what you get for $100 insurance per season of riding down there

Here in Ontario, I'm paying $935/yr for my 2000 Shadow Aero 1100, then another $770 for my K5. 2 million liability.

Unbelievable rates that the US members pay.

I've heard we can get classic insurance in Ontario if you register the vehicle as historical. Couple hundred a year, if you promise not to drive it during rush hour etc. I sure hope I don't have to pay ~$1000+/year like I do my modern bikes...

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2016, 11:07:51 AM »
$276/yr here in New Brunswick Canada; insured with Waterloo Insurance  through a broker; car is on my policy under full coverage; the bike; 79 CB650 PL/PD(bare bones coverage). Best i could do at the time and had my motorcycle endorsement for 11 years. Here in NB; it is broke down to zones;  you live in zone A; coverage may or may not be cheaper than zone B; i think the province is broken down into 12 zones; will have to check;  to make sure the insurance companies can find a way to rob you blind.

Mine is also through Waterloo (also in NB. Woo!) Mine's about 400/year. And that is very low for me, considering I am under 30 and this is my first bike. First quote I ever got was 800 for the year... INSANE. But most places I called wouldn't deal with old bikes.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2016, 11:29:55 AM »
I don't think there is anyone out there with a bare bone package at the amount of 100 or less a year

74 bucks a year for 2 bikes.  Foremost Insurance. It's minimal, to be sure, but that's all I desire.
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2016, 12:52:34 PM »
€ 33,- a year. (I've built up maximum No Claim bonus.) Some companies give you an extra bonus if you've done an advanced motorcycle training. None give a bonus when a steeringdamper is fitted.
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2016, 01:21:07 PM »
€ 33,- a year. (I've built up maximum No Claim bonus.) Some companies give you an extra bonus if you've done an advanced motorcycle training. None give a bonus when a steeringdamper is fitted.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2016, 02:40:21 PM »
€ 33,- a year. (I've built up maximum No Claim bonus.) Some companies give you an extra bonus if you've done an advanced motorcycle training. None give a bonus when a steeringdamper is fitted.

What company is this and are they in America?

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2016, 02:47:59 PM »
I don't think there is anyone out there with a bare bone package at the amount of 100 or less a year

74 bucks a year for 2 bikes.  Foremost Insurance. It's minimal, to be sure, but that's all I desire.

That's great I'll check it out. In NJ laws are weird the default is 100 in most states with progressive its 75

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2016, 04:54:16 AM »
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What company is this and are they in America?
I doubt it. KNMV is the Royal Dutch Motorcyclist Union and I'm afraid it is for Dutch citizens only. The KNMV exists over 100 years. Can you believe that their commercial motorcycle magazine (for decades the only one in Holland) used to be a weekly? That's how fanatic motorcycle riders were. They wanted to be informed every week. It was still a weekly when our SOHCs were reviewed.
Anyway here's what Google translate gives:
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Also Combi Motors Insurance recognizes the quality of the KNMV VRO Risk and reward its policyholders a premium discount after this training.
From January 1, 2016 it is possible to obtain a discount of up to 10% on your premium by Combi Motors Insurance after obtaining the KNMV VRO risk.
The VRO risk is theoretical and practical training that addresses the problems that are often the cause of a motorcycle accident. Due to the structure this training is also endorsed by the Foundation for Road Safety Research (SWOV).

BTW, I would applaud higher premiums for those who have mounted all kinds of distracting gadgets like oilgauges in funny places.



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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2016, 03:20:00 PM »
Motor Magazine of today can't be compared to or live up to the weekly Motor you refer to, and the KNMV luckily isn't involved or connected in any way to that magazine anymore since many years.
 My bikes are insured at Vetera at €27 a piece which includes passenger insurance and legal assistance.
BTW next sunday the annual meeting of the Dutch cbfourclub is held in Achterveld, at 10 am, why don't you come and take a look......

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2016, 02:31:50 AM »
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BTW next sunday the annual meeting of the Dutch cbfourclub is held in Achterveld, at 10 am, why don't you come and take a look......
Hi Rob,
Thanks for the invitation but I'm not a member. I don't know if you know Tums of the fantastic Honda4fun site. This is what I answered him two years ago when he asked me why I wasn't a member. Tums and I have cooperated to offer as many documents as possible FREE to the world.
I've wanted to be a member of the Dutch club but... under the condition the forum would be open for anyone. That is: open again like it was in the beginning. I even offered to pay double contribution  :D. But they said they wanted to maintain the forum reserved for members. That's not very smart and here is why. At the time I knew at least two retired mechanics that know everything about the CB500/550s. One has raced a 500 with a by him modified 4-valve head and the other is a true guru who worked on hundreds of CB500/550s. These men wouldn't mind to share their knowledge and expertise, but as these men are old and don't ride themselves anymore, you can't expect them to pay for sharing their experience. As you know this forum, you probably also know the valuable contributions of 'semiretired' mechanic Bryanj. He is in the same category and has helped a lot of people. Why the Dutch club maintains a treshold that prevents men like these to share their knowledge, I can't understand. It's penny wise and pound foolish, in other words plain stupid. To my knowledge the Dutch club is the only SOHCclub that has raised such a fence. For sharing and receiving information sites should be free accessible. It is what internet is all about. The Brits understand that, the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Americans, the Dutch... not yet. Think of the all information the Dutch club itself has gathered for free from the internet. For me it's a matter of principle. I've given up long time ago, but maybe you can convince them. Let me know. You may forward this mail as far as I'm concerned. The moment they'll open up their forum, I'll be the first to join and then will be happy to pay contribution. In that order. Now you'll understand I frequent the international, the British, the German, the French and every now and then the Italian site.
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2016, 07:35:54 AM »
I can understand your way of thought, i personally don't care, i'm a member for the fun of it, for the rides and meetings they organise. I never ask tech questions anyway, i can manage very well on my own.
And not being a member won't mean you'll be sent away when turning up on a meeting, there will be a bite to eat and a place in the organised tour no problem.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2016, 08:51:21 AM »
Hey evanphi; got a group plan from work through Cain Insurance; who brokers; which got me Waterloo; was with Redwood in Oromocto; but i jumped ship as they upped my bike coverage nearly $200; had it at $450/yr at the last renewal with them; so i jumped ship; pulled everything out of there after being with them 15 yrs; no customer loyalty program; no discounts for no claims.
Had a wipeout in the rain after a tree fell on the road; nearly went to court to fight them on an increase; they claimed it was listed as an "accident"; act of god didn't matter; so i waited for my renewal and fought with them; then i left after they were being greedy tools.
Shop around; keep your driving record good and if the company is decent to you it will drop; personally; i feel no one no matter their ride should have to pay for a years worth of coverage when most times up here we only get an average of 4, maybe 5 good months of driving time.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2016, 09:25:29 AM »
Hey evanphi; got a group plan from work through Cain Insurance; who brokers; which got me Waterloo; was with Redwood in Oromocto; but i jumped ship as they upped my bike coverage nearly $200; had it at $450/yr at the last renewal with them; so i jumped ship; pulled everything out of there after being with them 15 yrs; no customer loyalty program; no discounts for no claims.
Had a wipeout in the rain after a tree fell on the road; nearly went to court to fight them on an increase; they claimed it was listed as an "accident"; act of god didn't matter; so i waited for my renewal and fought with them; then i left after they were being greedy tools.
Shop around; keep your driving record good and if the company is decent to you it will drop; personally; i feel no one no matter their ride should have to pay for a years worth of coverage when most times up here we only get an average of 4, maybe 5 good months of driving time.

I'm with Higgins in Rothesay. They are a bike friendly broker. They were a major sponsor last year of the Ride for Dad!

I'm looking forward to when I am out of my 20s and my auto premiums can start to drop. ;D
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2016, 10:16:06 AM »
Ok; i will remember that name Higgins; in case my broker tries to get greedy.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2016, 01:13:29 PM »
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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2016, 03:40:45 PM »
I just insured my '78 CB750K here in Tucson Az with Hagerty Insurance for $124 per year through an independent agent.  No mileage restrictions, no deductible and with reasonable medical and property insurance along with under and uninsured.  Seemed like a deal to me.  I pay 3x that for my '09 HD Roadglide.

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Re: What do you pay for insurance?
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2016, 07:13:12 PM »
I live in the U.S. , Michigan,(which I,ve heard has higher rates than some states) and through progressive I just paid $260/yr  for plpd, basic coverage on my 76' 750f. I wonder what other Michiganders are paying?
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