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Offline 45-70 fella

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Power gain from exhaust and header?
« on: May 13, 2016, 10:27:42 am »
Hello.
I have a 849cc K3 cb750 on a F3 lower end.  I have pod filters and a stock exhaust (K3 4 into 4).  Head is stock.  Will I gain much power going to an aftermarket exhaust (with jetting) or is it not worth my while?

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 03:12:29 pm »
Oh, right pipe and jetting,  it's worth it, my .02, Bill
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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2016, 08:38:36 am »
Yep !! What he said.    ...cougar...
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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2016, 09:27:46 am »
There are a few 70s magazine articles that dealt with exhaust comparisons on our 750.  Some have found little to no improvement, some have shown a fairly modest but measurable improvement. 

Many aftermarket exhaust manufacturers put performance gain low on their priority list, well after cost of manufacture and looks.  Better performing vintage exhausts, such as Yoshimura, RC Engineering, Kerker, etc are still desirable for that reason.  So performance gain potential is not only tied directly to the engine details you have, but the specific exhaust you are looking into buying.  An aftermarket exhaust is very likely to be lighter in weight, never a bad thing. 

For a modest over stock built engine, the performance improvement potential is probably fairly modest.  It may feel faster (louder sounds tend to do that), and 1/4 mile times may come down a few tenths and pick up a mph or two.  But it certainly won't unlock the hidden beast...  the factory exhausts are not all that restrictive.  The K0 pipes are actually quite good, and later baffle versions got progressively more restrictive.  You could drill holes into the baffles on your current baffled exhaust and make it both less restrictive and a bit louder (stock exhaust restricted road racers have done this with success)

Like all such questions, the answers is generally a frustrating "Well it depends..." ???

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2016, 02:05:00 pm »
the main gain might not be power but the savings in weight. also the increased noise will make you think that it goes much faster :) what's not to like?

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2016, 02:50:35 pm »
Best money spent is on head work. IMHO

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 08:28:59 am »
We're making significant gains over the stock systems with our new Hindle exhaust systems. Part of the reason is that we are using a 4-2-1 design that retains and boosts the mid range compared to the the traditional 4-1. Our latest system for the 83 Honda CB1100F produced 98.29HP@9000 rpm on a dead stock bike with 65.5ftlbs torque@6500rpm and 60ftlbs from 4500-8500 which is a nice flat range. Another advantage is weight as was mentioned earlier, a full stainless steel 10lb system as compared to maybe 30lbs or more for a stock system on the 1100F, that will definitely help acceleration !

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 02:53:19 pm »
We're making significant gains over the stock systems with our new Hindle exhaust systems. Part of the reason is that we are using a 4-2-1 design that retains and boosts the mid range compared to the the traditional 4-1. Our latest system for the 83 Honda CB1100F produced 98.29HP@9000 rpm on a dead stock bike with 65.5ftlbs torque@6500rpm and 60ftlbs from 4500-8500 which is a nice flat range. Another advantage is weight as was mentioned earlier, a full stainless steel 10lb system as compared to maybe 30lbs or more for a stock system on the 1100F, that will definitely help acceleration !

Hi Kemp - I'd be interested to know - 98.29 bhp compared to what? i.e. bhp for the same machine on standard pipes?

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 03:24:14 pm »
Hello.
I have a 849cc K3 cb750 on a F3 lower end.  I have pod filters and a stock exhaust (K3 4 into 4).  Head is stock.  Will I gain much power going to an aftermarket exhaust (with jetting) or is it not worth my while?


Hi 45-70 - the guys above have pretty much said what needs to be said - negligible power gain and nominal weight loss considering the all up rider/bike weight is north of 700lbs. You're in the right forum if you want to consider serious performance upgrades, slipping an after market exhaust on an untuned engine will achieve very little except lighten your wallet.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2016, 09:34:53 am by Rod »

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2016, 01:51:06 pm »
Its hard to find dyno results on the CB1100F. The only reference I could find was Cycle Magazine which quoted 95.79HP at rear wheel. With smaller bikes we have dynoed such as CB550 which was about 35-38 rear for stock we got 43 and on the CB650 stock was 49 and we got 53-54. These are pretty old motors I own and and just run pods and exhaust. I think you could do better with a fresh stock motor. I was really surprised that the CB1100F pulled such good numbers as it was dead stock and not fetted at all! Carbs had never been off or cleaned, everything stock. It even missed a bit until warm and we had to adjust clutch to keep it from slipping so not the best maintained 1100 but still very nice.

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Re: Power gain from exhaust and header?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2016, 09:15:07 am »
I do not recall any extra power when my bike got a new shining RC 4-1 instead of original  Hm341. I had a rattling and screaming home made black 4-1 between.
But the sound and look was nice back then. Much tougher! I think I had 115 mains (std 105) and std airbox.

The power came with ported head, hotter cam and 836.

Model of cam can have different requirement of the exhaust. The hotter cams I have seems to need wide open exhaust systems. The DP315 I use now work really well with Hm300 4-4 replica without diffusers. The sound and even power is really nice!
Balanced APE crank is probably one of the reasons for really nice idle. DP315 idles very even in too low rpm like 1000 rpm. I prefer 1200-1400 to ensure oil on cam and rockers.
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