Author Topic: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed  (Read 4684 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline mackdaddy27

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4
bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« on: June 02, 2016, 05:56:14 AM »
so, I'm new here and to working on bikes but am relatively mechanically inclined.
I am the proud new owner of a 1975 cb750 that I have begun some small modifications to.
I swapped out my stock turn signals and brake light.
My lucas style brake light had only 2 wires, so I added a ground that is connected into the harness and grounds on the mounting bolt of the light - working perfectly.
My signal lights are actually dual filament but I am only using one wire and I have added grounds to these lights at their mounting points and run to their appropriate harness locations.
My bike was running perfectly prior to this signal work, and even starting and running great once the original lights were all removed (I just cleaned the carbs and replaced plugs and it was starting beautifully.
I went to ride it last night and it won't start.  When the starter button is pressed it just clicks.  The battery has full charge and all instrument lights and button function as they should, including the lights, but it will not start.
I did blow the rear brake light fuse somehow in my work, but swapped that out.
Is it a grounding issue?  maybe a loose ground in the headlight from tinkering around?
Does anyone have an idea of what could be wrong?
Please help.

Offline ekpent

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 13,512
  • To many bikes-but lookin' for more
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 06:04:30 AM »
  Place a large screwdriver blade between the two large terminals on the top of the solenoid and see if the engine cranks. There will be some sparking so be forewarned but that area is where I would start investigating. .

Offline evanphi

  • Apparently I'm an
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,107
  • Rhonda the Basket Case
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2016, 06:20:00 AM »
  Place a large screwdriver blade between the two large terminals on the top of the solenoid and see if the engine cranks. There will be some sparking so be forewarned but that area is where I would start investigating. .

don't hold it for long or it will weld on! ;)

If the starter spins when you do this, its the solenoid or switch.

If the starter DOESN'T spin when you do this, it's the starter/wiring. Start at the solenoid and follow the wires!
--Evan

1975 CB750K "Rhonda"
Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
K5 Crankcase/Frame, K4 Head and Cylinders, K1 Carbs (42;120;1 Turn)

She's a mix-matched (former) basket case, but she's mine.

CB750 Shop Manual (all years), searchable text PDF
Calculating the correct input circumference for digital speedometers connected to the original speedometer drive

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,301
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2016, 07:27:15 AM »
Battery Voltage bike off?
Battery voltage w key to ON?
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Hondawggie

  • Flimmy-Flammy, Hambone-Sammy -- I'm a Bigole
  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 483
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2016, 07:29:02 AM »
Did you try to kick start it?  if it was running fine before and the electric starter is offline, it should start.

Clicking -- sounds like battery.

Each battery cell should be 2.1 volts DC, for a total of 12.6 volts on the battery.
If you get between 12.55 to 12.65 measured on the battery *while the bike is switched off* then the battery measures okay.

You can then do a "load test" -- after verifying you've got around 12.6 volts on the battery with the bike turned off -- now turn the key to 'on' but do not start the bike (say, with the kick starter).   Now measure the battery voltage.   If the battery drops below 10 volts, you may have a weak battery. 


- How old is the battery?  Any white cells in there?


Once you get it started with the kicker, set the RPM to 2500 to 3000 RPM and verify you've got 14 volts DC   across the battery terminal.   If not, maybe your charging circuit has a fault and the battery isn't getting recharged during riding.

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,100
  • I refuse...
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2016, 07:56:24 AM »
Battery Voltage bike off?
Battery voltage w key to ON?
This ^^^^ If you have been testing and tuning your battery to get electrics to work, you've run down the battery more than you realize. "Battery fully charged" is not sufficient. What is the exact voltage with a meter?
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline millla03

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 111
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2016, 09:50:22 AM »
I agree the battery is a good place to start. Just went through this myself a couple weeks ago. My (4+ year old) battery had sufficient charge to kick start and run, but didn't have the cranking amps to turn the starter even though it showed sufficient voltage. Symptoms were that of a short or bad ground in testing. Wouldn't trigger the starter solenoid unless the positive starter cable was disconnected. Dropped a new AGM in and it starts better than ever. I would go through the starting system as others have mentioned, and load test the battery. Should be easy enough to find what's at fault with some troubleshooting.
Luke

72 Honda CB750 K2
78 BMW R100/7
83 Honda Nighthawk 650
07 Honda Rebel 250

Offline b52bombardier1

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 536
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2016, 09:59:58 AM »
A voltage measurement alone is only half the equation.  If a battery cannot deliver sufficient amperage then it is dead.

Rick

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk

1971 School Bus Yellow Aermacchi H-D Sprint 350
1972 Candy Yellow CL100 K2
1972 Candy Jet Green Honda CB500
1973 Mighty Green ST90 K0
1974 Mars Orange CT90 K5
1975 Topaz Orange ST90 K2
1976 Shiny Orange CT90
2006 Honda Foreman 500 (restored)

Offline SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan

  • Speak up, Whipper-Snapper! I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,733
  • SOHC/4 Member #1235
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2016, 10:12:27 AM »
The clicking sounds suspiciously like a battery issue.  (from experiencing the same when my li battery fell below a certain voltage never to return)
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

Offline strynboen

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,889
    • http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=1i46sj2p902dp85d6dm1hgabt6&/topic,60973.0.html
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2016, 10:13:10 AM »
turn the light on..and see if it goes dark..vhen the start button are pushed...if the light goes off..it often the battery going low.

.a night at the loader..and try Again..or use start wires from a car
i kan not speak english/but trying!!
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=60973.0
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=144758.0
i hate all this v-w.... vords

Offline calj737

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,100
  • I refuse...
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2016, 11:53:43 AM »
A voltage measurement alone is only half the equation.  If a battery cannot deliver sufficient amperage then it is dead.

Rick

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
True. But I never list the hour when asked what day of the week it is. Know what I mean. If voltage is LOW, Amps don't matter.
'74 550 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126401.0
'73 500 Build http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132935.0

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

Offline mackdaddy27

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2016, 03:57:11 PM »
Thanks ekpent and evanphi. I bridged the solenoid as suggested and got spark. So...I then proceeded
to disconnect and reconnect all wires in headlight in case my sing along installation worked one loose.
But, thanks to calj737 and others I also checked my battery. I thought it had a charge as the lights were working but urns out it had desire from all my testing and checking.
sohc4 veterans 1, rookie bike guy 0
Thanks for all the help. You guys are a great resource.
Off to ride now. Summer is short up in Canada so every night is precious!

Offline evanphi

  • Apparently I'm an
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,107
  • Rhonda the Basket Case
Re: bike not starting just clicking when starter pushed
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 11:06:53 AM »
Thanks ekpent and evanphi. I bridged the solenoid as suggested and got spark. So...I then proceeded
to disconnect and reconnect all wires in headlight in case my sing along installation worked one loose.
But, thanks to calj737 and others I also checked my battery. I thought it had a charge as the lights were working but urns out it had desire from all my testing and checking.
sohc4 veterans 1, rookie bike guy 0
Thanks for all the help. You guys are a great resource.
Off to ride now. Summer is short up in Canada so every night is precious!

Especially if you're on the East Coast like me. ;D Keep the rubber side down!
--Evan

1975 CB750K "Rhonda"
Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
K5 Crankcase/Frame, K4 Head and Cylinders, K1 Carbs (42;120;1 Turn)

She's a mix-matched (former) basket case, but she's mine.

CB750 Shop Manual (all years), searchable text PDF
Calculating the correct input circumference for digital speedometers connected to the original speedometer drive