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Offline nino400F

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Fouling plugs after 30 minute ride??
« on: June 03, 2016, 05:35:52 PM »
Hello All,

I have acquired recently a 1975 cb400f super sport that is original and only has 2446 original miles on it. Remarkable I know. I have changed the oil twice (to make sure all traces of old oil are gone) and have rebuild the carbs (sonic cleaned and new pilots with jets & seals) as well as had a pro shop sync and tune the carbs. I have fresh gas in it and the tank is clean, I've cleaned all the points and put new caps n wires on with new plugs (NGK DE8-A). These plugs are what everyone told me to put in it although I pulled out DE8-S plugs. When I drive the bike with fresh plugs it runs like a brand new bike. 30 minutes in it sputters until over 4K rpm then is good, an hour into the ride it leaves me on the side of the road changing plugs, the old ones are black and full of carbon but dry.... The carb is doing what it is supposed to but I found the spark plugs are only getting 10v when firing and not twelve. Could this be the cause? I am at a loss on this one and just can't figure it out.

Any help is great help!!!

Alex

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Re: Fouling plugs after 30 minute ride??
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 09:57:03 AM »
What brand jets did you put in?
What size pilots and main jets?
What is your air screw setting?
What intake and exhaust do you have on the bike?
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Re: Fouling plugs after 30 minute ride??
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 10:14:18 AM »
Look for anything that may obstruct air intake at the filter box. Is there a cloth maybe under your seat? What's the filter like?
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Re: Fouling plugs after 30 minute ride??
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 11:03:03 AM »
Dry carbon fouled plugs means rich mixture. "Tuning" the carbs means different things to different folks. Carb synch is not carb tuning.
The D8EA plugs are correct if you have resistor plug caps. D8ES plugs have been discontinued, they were designed to work over a wider heat range than the D8EA but were banned by the EPA for some reason.
There are a variety of plugs that will fit but that's not your problem. If the bike seems to be running OK the ignition at 10V is OK,  but cleaning all the bullet connectors in the wiring harness is a good plan and that can reduce voltage loss to the coils. If you feel missing at higher throttle, the spark might be weak and the extra fuel from a "missed" ignition can foul a plug when it does fire.
Check float levels. This is something many mechanics unused to our old carbs get wrong.
Make sure the chokes are coming all the way open. I've had exactly what you describe happen after leaving the choke on, a maladjusted mechanism can leave the plates partially closed with the lever all the way down.
Replacing ANY jets on a 2446 mile stock bike is just plain nuts. The Keihin original jets would be indistinguishable from factory new at that mileage. Most if not all aftermarket (ie Keyster) jets should be used only for retuning with a overbore/header/cam/pods or whatever - the numbers seem the same but a 85 Keihin is not identical to a 85 Keyster. Just going back to the OEM jets and needles would likely sort you out if someone installed aftermarket brass.
A clogged air filter or anything blocking the airbox snorkel will cause a rich mixture by choking the intakes. I have seen some aftermarket filters with very poor filter material, way too thick and restrictive. Try the bike with no filter and see what happens. This is OK for a test ride, stay away from dirt roads or super dusty situations though.