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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #450 on: September 13, 2017, 04:16:13 PM »
We're registered for Barber.

That's awesome Brent...  give em hell.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #451 on: September 13, 2017, 05:45:10 PM »
We're registered for Barber.

Let's meet up for a cold one once you're all set up. I'll be down on the first level of the paddock on the far end from tech. Getting there Wednesday.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #452 on: September 20, 2017, 08:31:47 AM »
Well, the track day went much better than it could have given some of the issues I experienced.

The first time out I ran into some of the same fueling issues I was before. After tearing everything between the tank and carbs apart, I discovered that the fuel line quick disconnect fitting was the likely culprit. Flow was reduced by at least 50% through that fitting, but not reduced at all with the fuel filter, which was the item I initially blamed for fueling issues. With the filter on and QD fitting replaced by a straight barb, I was back in business.

After a plug check to see how the engine was doing with my new stack/filter combo (nice light tan) I was back on the track but the bike wasn't quite running right. In fact it felt like it was on 3 cylinders. Sure as sh*t, I left the #1 wire off and once that was taken care of, I was able to lay down some fast (for me) laps and really get some lean on the bike and heat in the tires.

I came in to cool off an noticed that I had some oil on the left side that was accumulating around the sprocket and dripping into the pan. I still need to investigate that one before Barber, but it pretty minimal and an oil diaper got me back on the track.

Last time out the goal was to run one warm-up lap, then 8 to simulate a full race then one cool down for a total of 10 laps.

Between my last time at this track in June and now I dropped my best lap time by 19 seconds! I ran a 2:21 as my best in June, and pulled out a 2:02 on the last lap on Friday. I am stoked with my overall progress and I can still see there were places that I was losing a lot of time. Braking is still something I need to get used to and will be able to get much deeper into corners. Hanging off the bike more will facilitate that.

As I came in from the track and stopped at a road crossing in the pit, I went to pull away and the bike chugged, then died. I got it started right away and then it died again as I started to let out the clutch. I tried to roll the bike in neutral but nothing. It seemed like the front brake was locked for some reason. It turns out it was the rear wheel.

Once I got home I started pulling the rear wheel apart. I discovered that the bearing retainer in the hub was missing, allowing the bearing set to shift in slightly, which let the brake plate contact the hub. The plate had actually welded itself to the hub. OH SH*T! I was extremely lucky that I wasn't moving when the weld solidified. A new bearing retainer and bearing set is on the way.

Overall the track day was stellar and I could not have asked for a better group of guys or better day to run.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #453 on: September 20, 2017, 07:09:36 PM »
Way to go Matt, battling through the problems and putting down some fast lap times. Glad the hub issue happened off track and it's an easy fix.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #454 on: September 22, 2017, 07:27:38 PM »
Sounds like it is all coming together.  Best of luck at Barber.  See you there.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #455 on: September 25, 2017, 07:16:07 PM »
Thanks guys. Really looking forward to the big show down at Barber.

I have one last thing to get done, fix my oil leak. This engine had the chain break at the countershaft sprocket some time on the past and was fixed with weld and some epoxy. Well with the stresses of racing it started leaking again.

Thoughts on fixing this? As odd to me as it seems, RTV appears to be a great option if I can get the area clean enough. I can see oil weeping at ghee case spilt but thinking I can clean with with brake clean and acetone then get it smeared in there. Only need to get through the weekend on this fix but it does need to be reliable.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #456 on: September 25, 2017, 08:17:20 PM »
My K1 case suffered similar damage at some time, and I finally fixed the leak by gluing a carefully fitted 1/16" aluminum patch over the whole area with RTV. It worked much better than trying to work RTV into any tiny gaps, and the area that does the bonding is exposed for easier cleaning.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #457 on: October 13, 2017, 06:24:30 AM »
Alright, freshman season is over and I'm home safe from Barber.

My weekend started Thursday with practice, which I was able to get all 4 sessions in, to feel out the track and get some much needed bike time. We needed to run transponders all day as well as they wanted to make sure everyone got enough practice laps before the races.

I had fixed my oil leak per scottly's suggestion using a thin aluminum patch with a smearing of silver RTV. I did find that there was a few spots I missed and that was quickly rectified after the morning practice sessions. It turns out that 1 of the 3 bolts that holds the cases together, hiding under the sprocket cover was not a blind hole as I originally thought, but a sheared off bolt that may have been drawing oil from the case. That was filled with RTV as well as a small pinhole from the horrible weld job someone did when the bike threw a chain before I owned it. With that fixed, the bike was running well and leak free.

Friday was the swap meet day which was pretty uneventful. My only score was a Cappellini cam chain tensioner with both the smaller sprocket wheel and the larger bottom wheel for $125! They are asking $260 on ebay so that was a good score for the race motor.

Saturday was pretty chill since I wasnt racing until afternoon so I was able to wander the pits and just relax. We were race 14 and by race 11 the rain had come rolling in and the track was wetted down pretty good. After a few crashes in 11, the rain subsided and the track started to dry pretty quickly. I started getting ready at race 13 and was well prepared for my Barber debut.

My scrub lap went well and I was able to easily get to my starting grid position, in wave 3. There were something like 60+ guys in all three waves so I knew I had to ride predictably, as well as quickly.

My launch from the green flag was my worst yet, but I was still able to get out of the gate well enough to be hot on 2 racers in my class, which I was able to pass before the first couple of laps. After that the only passing was on my be some ridiculously fast guys from the first two waves. The good thing is that I did not get lapped by anyone in my race, but I also didnt have anyone to chase. I was able to turn a low 1:59 in the race, a bit disappointing since I was able to pull out a low 2:00 in practice.

I had Race Tech do some suspension tweaking, where they took out quite a bit of preload in my rear shocks (15mm or so) as well as 5mm out of my front preload. I think I will be adding some preload back in to the rear as I was then able to drag my pipe, the screws on my belly pan and my right boot, which now has a nice hole in it. Definitely too soft in the rear.

The off season is going to bring some big changes. The first being me. I lost about 20lb between March and race day in early June of this year. My plan in another 50lb by race time next year. I know it can be done but I need to get my mind and body in tune with one another and get going.

The bike is going to see some big changes as well, most notably in the rear wheel. I know that the weight of the rear is reducing suspension compliance, and I plan to run with a WM5 Borrani to match the front, new SS spokes/nipples, Ducati Monster rear rotor with Brembo caliper and master all bolted to a quick-change flat track hub I picked up last year. I am expecting somewhere around a 10lb loss in total system weight, potentially more considering the heft of the current rear brake drum.

Other "add lightness" and weight reduction items include a redesigned front rotor carrier, lightened front rotor, aluminum damping rods, removing the brake lugs from the right fork, aluminum fork caps, a redesign of the breather system to use the cavity in the swing arm instead of an external bottle, and quite a number of other little items that will help save weight, which I will document here as they come about.

In addition to that, I will be adding some weight in the form of a few well placed braces, namely above the swingarm pivot and between the engine mounts on the front down tubes. I also plan to redo the top rails by moving them up rather than installing a heavy frame kit so I can get to the valve cover when needed.

With all of that I hope to net at least a 20lb weight reduction on the bike itself, making combined rider/bike weight loss for 2018 about 70lbs, good for a theoretical 7hp. Of course that is in addition to any actual gains from go-fast goodies.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #458 on: October 13, 2017, 07:00:20 PM »
Congratulations on a successful first season!  Glad to hear your race went well.  Sounds like a busy off season for you.  With the gap from practice to the race, I find cutting lap times can be difficult at Barber.  See you at the races next year. 

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #459 on: October 13, 2017, 07:37:53 PM »
Excellent write up. Glad your season ended well Matt. Sounds like a good weight reduction plan for next year. I'm lacing up all new wheels for next year, KTM hub out back, GL1000 forks up front. Will be some weight loss, some gain, but overall should be a savings with good performance gains. Plus a whole new motor build, ah hell, I'm starting from scratch!!

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #460 on: October 13, 2017, 11:25:32 PM »
Matt, if you move the rails up, won't you need to modify the tank to fit?
Congrats on wrapping up another race season safely.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #461 on: October 14, 2017, 05:54:54 AM »
Matt, if you move the rails up, won't you need to modify the tank to fit?
Congrats on wrapping up another race season safely.
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+1 on your season.  In addition to likely having to modify the tank, you may want to contact someone like Denis Curtis about moving the tubes.  Changing their load direction may result in lost of steering head rigidity.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #462 on: October 14, 2017, 06:10:12 AM »
My new tank has more room underneath than the stock one so I think I can move them up enough to get the cam cover off. Automatics are already like this so I'm not really engineering anything new. The tubes connect at the same spot as before they just now have a kink in them to give more space above the motor. Livefast_dieold did the same to his racer.

I may just work out doing a frame kit and have some ideas thanks to Cal on doing out with minimum weight penalty.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #463 on: October 14, 2017, 09:41:10 AM »
............or clean-up an auto-frame to avoid screwing with the headstock.................just change the rear shock mounts..........and save the inner-fender tabs.........
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #464 on: October 14, 2017, 10:24:08 AM »
............or clean-up an auto-frame to avoid screwing with the headstock.................just change the rear shock mounts..........and save the inner-fender tabs.........

Too much time and money invested in my current frame to change now. People doing frame kits are cutting the tubes out just the same and don't have geometry issues.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #465 on: October 14, 2017, 02:22:07 PM »
What year motor and frame are you running at the moment ?

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #466 on: October 14, 2017, 03:14:48 PM »
76 motor out of my F street bike. Frame is a 77k. I looked at my tank and don't have enough room to move the rails anyway but it would have been nice.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #467 on: October 15, 2017, 04:00:21 AM »
76 motor out of my F street bike. Frame is a 77k. I looked at my tank and don't have enough room to move the rails anyway but it would have been nice.

I think you might be able to use the Auto frame like Dennis said but without having to do the alterations he mentioned.
I found all this out when I fitted an early K extended swingarm into my Automatic drag bike frame.
Mixing and matching is ok as all engines will fit into any frame as will all swingarms but that's where it can all go wrong.
The problems being, chain alignment and the left side shock mounts.
The later Fs and the Auto had a longer final drive shaft which required a cranked out left side swingarm arm and a longer spigot where the left shock mounts onto the frame.
I think you might be ok with the later K frame but I'm unsure about the early F motor. It's just a matter of measuring the spigot where the left shock mounts and the distance that the gearbox sprocket is out from the casing.
Tank fitment is then up to you.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #468 on: October 15, 2017, 04:01:17 AM »
My Auto.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #469 on: October 15, 2017, 08:03:38 AM »
Hey Matt, hope you're over the long drive home. Tyler left Sunday just before noon and said the first hour or so was pretty sketchy on the highway.

Do you mind sharing what front caliper you're using?

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #470 on: October 15, 2017, 08:42:48 AM »
My Auto.

Killer auto Sam. If I had access to a frame I might consider it but for now I'll pursue the frame kit and see what I can get done.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #471 on: October 15, 2017, 08:45:51 AM »
Hey Matt, hope you're over the long drive home. Tyler left Sunday just before noon and said the first hour or so was pretty sketchy on the highway.

Do you mind sharing what front caliper you're using?

Brent, the drive was a long one through the night but no major weather issues. Home safe and already itching for next year.

Front brake setup is a Grimeca caliper with SS brake line and the 12mm Brembo master. Cast iron rotor from RPE in Australia on a custom carrier. It works extremely well with the Ferodo race compound pads.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #472 on: October 15, 2017, 09:13:41 AM »
If you need to adjust the valves don't you pull the motor and put in another one? Maybe I've been doing it wrong.  :o

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« Reply #473 on: October 15, 2017, 09:16:50 AM »
If you need to adjust the valves don't you pull the motor and put in another one? Maybe I've been doing it wrong.  :o

Spoken like a true masochist. ;D

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #474 on: November 06, 2017, 06:28:57 AM »
Alright, so its the off season now but that doesn't mean its time for rest. I have been scouring the internet and researching all sorts of ideas on shedding weight from the bike (and myself) though I must admit that while the bike is dropping weight, I have not (yet).

I am taking unsprung weight very seriously this year and plan to check that box for good. I have taken some weight off the front rotor via some larger holes in the non-swept are of the brake pad and lightening between the mount holes. I have also removed the caliper mount lugs from the right fork since I can only have one caliper, its unnecessary weight (good for 4oz). My 7075 aluminum damper rods are also complete and good for almost 6oz of weight lost. The last piece up front is the hub itself, which is getting replaced with a GPS racing billet Barnes style hub with larger bearings.

Out back is where the real magic is going to happen. The massive rear drum is going bye bye in favor of a GPS racing quick change hub with 25mm bearings, a Ducati Monster rotor (going to get Swiss cheesed), Brembo P32 caliper on custom hanger, and a Brembo 11mm master cylinder with remote reservoir. I am really hoping to lose 10lbs or more with the new rear hub, which will make the suspension work substantially better.

I have also finished moving the belly pan up and out of harms way (dragged a mounting screw at Barber) and with the additional trimming needed and the loss of my steel extender plates, is now appreciably lighter.

On the adding weight front, I am putting tubing between the down tubes and frame rails as well as a tube between the front engine mounts and one with gussets over the swingarm pivot, which is getting some lightening thanks to a grade 5 titanium replacement.

All of the engine hanger bolts will be replaced with 7075 aluminum and Ti nuts as well, good for almost a pound in savings.

Any of my faithful readers will remember the engine I bought to run in 2017 that locked itself up before my first race. That engine is getting a full and detailed tear down and inspection, and will be getting a 4th over stock compression piston kit and cam from Cycle X as well as a ported head I picked up at Mid Ohio this year, which is complete with oversized Manley SS valves, which still needs to be checked out by Mike Rieck upon his recovery.

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