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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #500 on: December 01, 2017, 07:49:13 PM »
. I ended up finding the oil tank design from Captain and what he uses on his racer in Australia,

Just a word on the quiet, Brent's a Kiwi and Kiwi's can get a bit narky if you tag them as an Ozzy.
Can't understand why. ;D

Corrected! It would be like being mistaken for a Canadian in America.


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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #501 on: December 01, 2017, 08:08:11 PM »
. I ended up finding the oil tank design from Captain and what he uses on his racer in Australia,

Just a word on the quiet, Brent's a Kiwi and Kiwi's can get a bit narky if you tag them as an Ozzy.
Can't understand why. ;D

Corrected! It would be like being mistaken for a Canadian in America.


Hummm.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #502 on: December 01, 2017, 10:04:44 PM »
Yeah, we get a wee bit antsy being called Australian. They claim some of our bands, even try and say they invented the pavlova.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #503 on: December 02, 2017, 10:57:12 PM »
Don't forget Crowded House and Sam Neill Scunn.
You can have Russell Crow back though. ;D
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #504 on: December 08, 2017, 02:12:57 PM »
New hubs. Stoked beyond belief .
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #505 on: December 08, 2017, 02:16:11 PM »
Rear.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #506 on: December 08, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »
New hubs. Stoked beyond belief .

Oh, I believe it. ;)

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #507 on: December 08, 2017, 04:44:48 PM »
Nice Matt.

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« Reply #508 on: December 08, 2017, 05:58:59 PM »
Brent's a Canuck.....just ask him about the government.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #509 on: December 08, 2017, 07:09:00 PM »
Brent's a Canuck.....just ask him about the government.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #510 on: December 08, 2017, 08:01:22 PM »
Nice you can cut a lot of weight off that spacer I think..
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #511 on: December 08, 2017, 08:30:04 PM »
Nice you can cut a lot of weight off that spacer I think..

You mean the bearing holders on either side? Thought about that too. Already stupid light compared to stock but looking at the bolts too since they are all too long.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #512 on: December 08, 2017, 11:06:21 PM »
 I would cut between the bolts with about a 3 or 4 inch wheel cutter on a stub arbor or boring head. (Slower)
 Just don't go thru the bore in the Middle.   Are you running a bolt thru sprocket, bearing carrier and hub?
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #513 on: December 09, 2017, 08:29:25 AM »
Spent the day working on a pattern to do some flow forming for the end caps of my oil tank. The first one cracked since I didn't have all four corners locked down which I corrected with the second try. This took about 15 min or so to shape. I'm using an air chisel with the harbor freight bit I cut off and made a UHMW (hard plastic) tip for. It forms the aluminum so sweet. It only took a couple hours to make the form and get everything set. I'm going to make a smaller tip tomorrow and refine the shape a bit more then do the other side which will have a recess for the oil cap making it a bit more complicated. Overall really easy to do with a little time and planning.
very nice! so you CNC machined a negative buck in wood and just stretched the alu sheet with the air chisel? there are some guys doing the stretching too with CNC... :)

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #514 on: December 09, 2017, 09:41:03 AM »
We need pics..
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #515 on: December 09, 2017, 04:35:44 PM »
Done. Here is a review of my process as well.

I used 1/2" UHMW or some such high-impact plastic sheet, cut the shape from the middle and then cut the aluminum to cover the cavity. Both aluminum and the form were screwed down (all 4 corners) to a thick wood piece. My tool was a UHMW piece that I made on my mill, with a hole bored in back for the chisel tool to fit. The chisel was simply a pointed tool from Harbor Freight cut down flat at the end. I wasn't sure how it would hold up, but the larger tools held their shape perfectly, but the finer tool I made was slightly deformed at the end after making 3 panels.

The 3003 aluminum forms so easily and has a ton of stretch to it. It is also easily annealed so you can get even more stretch out of it. I was able to easily anneal with a propane torch, going enough until the flame bouncing off the specific area I was heating turned orange.

Once I had a technique, I was able to form a side in about 20-30 min, of course the rough shaping takes less than 10 but the finalizing of the shape to get everything nice and smooth is the time consuming part. Over the course of probably 4-5 hours, I was able to make the form, make 3 pieces for one side and the other side as well.

I already have a 1.5" cap and a sight glass coming, and the air/oil separator return is almost complete. I think the most challenging part will be forming the aluminum strip around the perimeter of the two end pieces and getting it nice and symmetrical, but not sure yet.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #516 on: December 21, 2017, 05:58:50 AM »
Bummer that the forum crapped out, but such is like in the techno fast lane. Adding the pics from the lost posts.

New front rotor carrier, rear rotor on custom carrier on hub, new aluminum exhaust flanges/spigots, and the rear hub at home one the bike, with perfect sprocket alignment.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #517 on: January 07, 2018, 05:52:49 PM »
Well I got a hair up my butt and broke into the engine originally intended for the racer that I bought compete and ready to go. Everything came apart so nicely even considering it was locked up. I laid everything out per the Hondaman book. In the end all I had was the primary shaft and crank. Thing would not spin more than a few degrees. After pulling the primary shaft the crank still would only rotate a bit. In the end it was a spun bearing on #1 rod. Thing was smeared in there really well. No other indications of oiling issues so guessing a passage to the bearing was blocked.

The crank journal may be saveable but wont know without spending money to find out. I have another rod and some bearings so that part would be free.

My dilemma here is how to proceed. Should I just get back to a runner (after carefully cleaning the block and crank to the Nth degree or just bite the bullet and finish the race engine in all its glory? I already have the crank/rods done and Mirko is setting me up with his primary and cam tensioners. The only thing left in the bottom is the trans which will be undercut and new roller bearings.

I was already planning a set of cycle x pistons and a cam for this year so might as well just get my custom pistons done instead.

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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #518 on: January 07, 2018, 07:30:21 PM »
After reading about the spun #1 rod bearing, I had a bit of deja vue. ??? Did you neglect to seal off the bplt hole in the end of the crank?
 
There will be no loss in pressure with the starter gear removed, as there is a restriction in the crank hole. The starter gear is not a tight fit on the crank, and there are channels to drain any oil. The bolt hole in the end of crank for the rotor absolutely needs to be plugged, though. It's a straight shot to the main bearing oil galley.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #519 on: January 07, 2018, 07:40:26 PM »
I actual had a cut-off bolt with two flats on it that was threaded in there and snugged down. Wondering if a passage was blocked somewhere?
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #520 on: January 07, 2018, 08:03:45 PM »
It would have to be the diagonal passage in the crank that leads from the # 1 main bearing to the #1 rod bearing. Maybe the cut-off bolt went too deep into the end of the crank, blocking the feed from the main to the rod??
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #521 on: January 08, 2018, 05:50:57 AM »
It would have to be the diagonal passage in the crank that leads from the # 1 main bearing to the #1 rod bearing. Maybe the cut-off bolt went too deep into the end of the crank, blocking the feed from the main to the rod??

I agree, but wondering if there was something else blocking the passage. The bolt on the end only goes in so far and would only block the hole feeding the starter ring gear. Also, I used this bolt the entire race season on my other engine with no issues.

At this point, I am going to get the studs out and clean the cases very well to see if there might have been something else going on here. Fortunately, these cases and the cases from my cycle x crank are "B" bearings all the way across so it will be easy to drop the other crank in its place and start building. Of course with all this new work, I am feeling a huge crunch for time when I wasnt before yesterday.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #522 on: January 08, 2018, 10:45:53 AM »
Did the ball that seals off the passage fall out? This would allow the oil to escape, depriving the bearing.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #523 on: January 08, 2018, 12:18:59 PM »
I glanced and remember all of them being in there but will check when I get home. The rod is destroyed and the crank might be, but at this point I want to make sure the crank was at fault and not the cases, which are going to be reused. From where in the case does the oil come from to feed #1? If it is from further down the line, like from #2 and so on, it makes sense in my mind that the passages in the crank were at fault because of a blockage. Could assembly have been a factor here? Remember I didn't put it together but it was done by a guy that has a decent reputation for assembling stockers, though I won't ever use him again.
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Re: CB750 AHRMA Sportsman 750 Racer
« Reply #524 on: January 08, 2018, 06:19:56 PM »
The oil galley in the case feeds the main bearings, and flows from the mains through the passages in the crank to the rods; the #1 rod gets it's oil from the left-most main journal. If the case was at fault, there would have also been damage to the main.
Did the bearing actually spin? It looks like the alignment tang of the bearing shell in the rod end is still present?
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