Topic: RE: Tytronic Electric ignition $75 from China

[BenelliSEI]

Funny.... a friend bought one for his 550k and has the same performance. Good deal.

[MauiK3]

I guess sometimes there are really some bargains out there

[beemerbum]

Why would anyone deliberately buy Chinese communist fecal matter?

[Deltarider]

For various reasons I will not buy any product coming from China. There is China and Taiwan however. Tytronics is from where?

[Stev-o]

Why would anyone deliberately buy Chinese communist fecal matter?

Simple answer: because it's cheap.

I try to avoid buying chinese products but's it's nearly impossible.  Ever bought anything from Walmart? Approx 75% of their merchandise is supplied by china.  I rarely go there.

[PeWe]

Lots of electronic and electrical components are made in China.
Even if the product is designed and manufactured elsewhere, vital parts are made in China.

Before often made in USA, Germany, Malaysia, Taiwan etc.

[MauiK3]

I also try to avoid Chinese products, at least those from the Peoples Republic Of...
I find that a lot of tools are made in Taiwan and many are quite good, Saw Stop table saws I think are made there and i am on my second one, great product.
The obvious difference is that of course Taiwan is not under the same governmental tent as the Peoples Republic.
However, yes, very hard to avoid all of it, impossible I'd say.
That's the global trade market, a lot of stuff has been outsourced to the giant work shop called China.
My sanders are made in Finland (Mirka) but I have no idea where they get the parts from.

[Deltarider]

For many here, Walmart (after having read Naomi Klein) and Amazon are to be avoided. If even our pension funds - the biggest in the world - withdraw their investments...
The West has hit Russia real hard. Can't wait we will use the same receipe on China. It's about time.

[dave500]

great report on a solid ignition replacement that works fine,thats what its about,that bike will be running better than when it had the factory points on day one!,if your gonna start with all the gung ho anti china stuff or where ever that doesnt belong here then where was the monitor your looking at now made?please leave all that stuff out its not part of this forum.

[rotortiller]

Dave you are correct, too much hate, likely the guy making them has a small business selling direct, and he is probably trying to support his family just like the rest of us. The good thing is people on a budget have options for many good products these days. Technically reducing the middle man component with more direct marketing lowers cost and encourages innovation, like having a duty cycle feature for the coils, a feature that other specifically similar products do not. It looks like they may now have a built in timing light on the product from web pictures I have seen. My moto (motto) is love your neighbour like a good motorcycle component! lol   

The picture on the advert looks like it now has timing indicators, interesting. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/194934381153?hash=item2d62fe9a61:g:dEcAAOSwqeVdN7Gd

[PeWe]

There is no rotor on the picture. Rotor is  included, right?

[Flyin900]

Dave you are correct, too much hate, likely the guy making them has a small business selling direct, and he is probably trying to support his family just like the rest of us. The good thing is people on a budget have options for many good products these days.

The picture on the advert looks like it now has timing indicators, interesting. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/194934381153?hash=item2d62fe9a61:g:dEcAAOSwqeVdN7Gd

Well said! Everyone is entitled to their own views, as we are very fortunate to have the ability to voice that now where we live. China gets a bad rap, yet the average person there is just like us.  Human!

"Buy or not buy" as YODA said.... its your choice.

[MRieck]

Another years report since my 2017 install and still no issues so far. I have gone through a few sets of tires during this time. I pulled the advance cam to clean and lubricate just for fun and no heat distortion in the plastic has been noted. The bottom of the letter g is wearing off the lower logo is all I can say as a negative. So whatever you do, remember not to buy this well priced, good looking, reliable, non-partisan labeled Asian ignition because of a worn out letter "g" lol.

Judging by the condition of the plate screws and timing slots it looks like it took a while to get the timing correct.

[PeWe]

Probably too soft advanver springs that cause too early advance.
That's why plate sit in most retarded position. Been there and fixed it, twice.

Cut springs 1/2 wound, make sure advancer sit in its most counterclockward position if having a play before tighten it.

This will make true TDC to match case mark.
Both my bikes like that.
Idle will be fine with F matching case mark, full advance at 2600-2700 rpm.

[MauiK3]

I cut a loop off mine too.
Thanks Hondaman!

From a historical point of view, just after WWII Japan was known for cheap poorly made stuff, of course that soon went away. A web of factories as vast as what China has is bound to produce products all over the place in quality, depending on what the customers such as Apple, Walmart, etc. ask for. They will fill the order to whatever level you want.

[rotortiller]

Judging by the condition of the plate screws and timing slots it looks like it took a while to get the timing correct.

No, it just marks easily from the steel washers, mostly grease to slide easier. I slid the timing plate to the stops on the mounting screws and used the sensors to make the timing adjustments, that actually took some time to perfect due to sensitivity of inboard mounting. That way anytime I remove it it goes back the exact same position.

There is no rotor on the picture.

The rotor is marked red and black in the  picture and slides into the stock advance unit..

[rotortiller]

Here is a picture of how the timing plate is used to index it to the engine for easy removal with no further adjustments needed at reinstall, basically set and forget. I personally decided to do this for that one good reason. This cannot be done with antiquated points as the rubbing block wears the system into a retarded state to which the plate stop is maximized-leaving no room for points wear adjustment. I also mention that plate slop adversely affects the points-this has none and  is  however factor-less by triggering nature. Advance spring tension has nothing to do with a 'retarded' remedial radial position as Peewee suggested since full advance with matched timing marks satisfies ignition requirements.  If the advance springs were indeed weak it would not matter where the plate is correctly timed at full advance, the same reduced de-advanced results would be seen simply because the springs cannot hold the advance unit fully retarded. Dwell or coil charging time is dictated fixed by radial magnet spacing and cares not about the timing plate radial local. More reason why points suck lol.

[rotortiller]

 Here is a link to electrical draw with stock CB750 coils as a certain individual was speculating without actual measurements. 1.90A @idle, 1.53A @2900rpm, 1.38A @ 3400rpm. Current draw goes down with rpm due to coil saturation time.https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=stephen.bell.3382&set=a.1691476597537846

[rotortiller]

Hook up to ignition system.

[rotortiller]

Static not running

[rotortiller]

Other rpms

[Gurp]

Lots of electronic and electrical components are made in China.
Even if the product is designed and manufactured elsewhere, vital parts are made in China.

Before often made in USA, Germany, Malaysia, Taiwan etc.

The ole famous made in USA from globally sourced materials labels.

[Deltarider]

Thanks Rotortiller. More people should do measurements, before they make silly claims or blame products for excessive draw. Your results, which btw are close to my homebuilt EI, don't surprise me a bit, as Tytronics was smarter than Dyna and limited the duty cycle to 50%. Would I buy products made in China? No, but that's for another reason.

[Terry in Australia]

I don’t think it’s possible to not buy items from China any more? Certainly my iPhone, laptop, and TV are most likely made in China, not to mention the clothes I’m wearing, my fitbit, etc. I won’t go as far as buying a Chinese helmet (I have an Italian Nolan and a French Shark) but otherwise, it’s almost impossible to avoid Chinese products because they tend to dominate the market.

Even my 650 dollar Triumph branded jacket is made in Vietnam…(probably why it doesn’t leak oil…..)

[MauiK3]

I try to avoid many Chinese products if I can but it’s not really practical a lot of the time.