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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2016, 12:57:17 PM »
I, too, want to believe.  I am a wee bit at a loss as to how an unlubricated coating can be that slippery.  The micro-dimples would provide a plausible explanation IF lubricant were applied, but I thought the demo videos showed clean, dry metal that had been only surface treated. 
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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2016, 01:18:12 PM »
I, too, want to believe.  I am a wee bit at a loss as to how an unlubricated coating can be that slippery.  The micro-dimples would provide a plausible explanation IF lubricant were applied, but I thought the demo videos showed clean, dry metal that had been only surface treated.

Could be an air cushion from trapped air. 

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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2016, 01:51:40 PM »
I didn't ask for an explanation of the demo video, but if I were to speculate, I suspect the dimples create an air pocket for the 2 parts to be separated just enough to eliminate friction. But I don't know, and perhaps they were oiled prior to video?

That combined with smooth radius edges are the reason you get such a compelling (dry) demonstration. Purely a magicians trick. Oil will cause drag and deminish the effect.
Another consideration is accelerated wear as a result of reduced surface contact. PSI rating will increase proportionately as surface area is reduced.

Nikasil is nothing like micro-dimpling. Nikasil is a trademarked electrodeposited lipophilic nickel matrix silicon carbide coating for engine components, mainly piston engine cylinder liners.
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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2016, 03:25:59 PM »
Well I just hope that the little balls they are using aren't dyna beads..... :P ;D
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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2016, 04:48:37 PM »
I, too, want to believe.  I am a wee bit at a loss as to how an unlubricated coating can be that slippery.  The micro-dimples would provide a plausible explanation IF lubricant were applied, but I thought the demo videos showed clean, dry metal that had been only surface treated.
I didn't ask for an explanation of the demo video, but if I were to speculate, I suspect the dimples create an air pocket for the 2 parts to be separated just enough to eliminate friction. But I don't know, and perhaps they were oiled prior to video?

They sent me some more technical data that supports their technology, including some lab reports. I'm not a metallurgical expert so I am uncertain of the meaning of the data, only enough to understand the results.

As for treating the bores of my R90, I liken it to Nikasil in many ways. There's little dispute over its improvements yet we see little rebuking of it. In the end, it may just be a "newly arrived" process that has finally become available to the public in a small scale. It seems they (WPC) claim to have numerous Auto manufacturers that use their process on production engines, so it may be completely suitable. What the heck, its only 2 cylinders  ;)

What will the process cost to treat your twin? 
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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2016, 08:50:04 AM »
I've got a Hi-Po engine waiting to be put back together, may just have everything done if the cost isn't too crazy.
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Re: WPC Metal Surface Treatment
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2016, 04:33:12 PM »
Let us know if you do and what it costs.
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