Topic: Electronic Ignition

[carnivorous chicken]

I like points...

[Retro Rocket]

Retro Rocket, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING. Google Pamco Ignition Problems, there are dozens upon dozens of complaints about this unit. To his credit, Pamco Pete is an honorable person, who it seems, refunds or exchanges without question, but this unit seems to have a very rocky reliability record. Seeing how long you've been a forum member, I find it hard to believe this is the FIRST problem you've ever heard.


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True mate, never seen a problem here  ON A CB 70, except for faulty installation, which was responsible for a few of the Dyna failures as well, how would I know about 500 t's and XS650's..? I have no interest in them at all,  It doesn't take much for a noob to fry an electronic ignition whilst installing it... seen that plenty of times . Those SOHC references  you posted are installation questions and noob problems, not  faults with the product 

[pamcopete]

Retro Rocket, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING. Google Pamco Ignition Problems, there are dozens upon dozens of complaints about this unit. To his credit, Pamco Pete is an honorable person, who it seems, refunds or exchanges without question, but this unit seems to have a very rocky reliability record. Seeing how long you've been a forum member, I find it hard to believe this is the FIRST problem you've ever heard.


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I conduct customer service and warranty right here on this forum so of course we all get to see the service difficulties that PAMCO customers experience.

I would suggest that you contact the other manufacturers and ask to see their customer service and warranty Emails that are not published in a public forum such as this one to get a better idea of the service difficulties they experience.

If you are going to Google PAMCO ignition problems, then be sure to only count the CB750, 350F, 400F, 550 and 500 PAMCO issues because we also make an ignition system for the XS650, XS400, KZ650, CB350, CB360 and CB450 which are not part of this discussion or forum.

When counting the "dozens and dozens" of PAMCO issues, be sure to read all of them to see that the majority are related to initial installation difficulties that are generally resolved without resorting to warranty replacement.

Also, be sure to sort the "dozens and dozens" of PAMCO reports by year as one normally expresses service difficulties as a percentage rather than a gross number such as "dozens and dozens".

[540nova]

PamcoPete, with all respect, a legitimate business has no problem posting their phone number and address on their website, to promptly handle customer issues. It's ridiculous for someone who paid almost $200 for your product to have to post questions and service requests on a public forum to get problems resolved.
  There's not even any contact info on my receipt, just says  "Pamco".
  To say there are installation issues is correct to a point, but I've read of an equal, if not more amount that were running great, (like mine), but just died. Mine lasted 2 rides, for less than 80 miles. It must have been installed correctly to start on the first kick, and run great for that long.
  I don't intend to cause ill will toward you or your company, but people come on here to learn about products and their potential problems or fixes. It's not unfair to post about our experiences, so current users or potential users will know what to expect.
  Your faulty unit is in the mail, for my refund.

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[pamcopete]

PamcoPete, with all respect, a legitimate business has no problem posting their phone number and address on their website, to promptly handle customer issues. It's ridiculous for someone who paid almost $200 for your product to have to post questions and service requests on a public forum to get problems resolved. Your faulty unit is in the mail for my refund.


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Perhaps you have not attempted to obtain customer service from a live human recently. Most companies, large and small, have a convoluted automated customer service telephone system that can be frustrating. They all, however, offer an Email customer service option which I also offer in addition to this forum. All of the PAMCO products have an individual Email address posted on the web site.

[540nova]

PamcoPete, I can only suggest that you make yourself and your company more available in a conventional manner, ie, phone support and /or PROMPT email support. It just seems to me and many others that you are evasive, and it's frustrating.
  I wish you and your company well.


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[70CB750]

Retro Rocket, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING. Google Pamco Ignition Problems, there are dozens upon dozens of complaints about this unit. To his credit, Pamco Pete is an honorable person, who it seems, refunds or exchanges without question, but this unit seems to have a very rocky reliability record. Seeing how long you've been a forum member, I find it hard to believe this is the FIRST problem you've ever heard.


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Seems like people who know what they are doing do not have problems with Pamco.  But I guess it is easier to blame the product - which I have the best experience with and there are many other forum members who run Pamco for years with 0 issues - than blaming yourself.

[540nova]

Retro Rocket, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING. Google Pamco Ignition Problems, there are dozens upon dozens of complaints about this unit. To his credit, Pamco Pete is an honorable person, who it seems, refunds or exchanges without question, but this unit seems to have a very rocky reliability record. Seeing how long you've been a forum member, I find it hard to believe this is the FIRST problem you've ever heard.


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Seems like people who know what they are doing do not have problems with Pamco.  But I guess it is easier to blame the product - which I have the best experience with and there are many other forum members who run Pamco for years with 0 issues - than blaming yourself.

  #1 You don't know the first thing about what I know. As a Lead Aircraft Maintenance Technician for Continental / United Airlines for 28 years, I have a pretty sound mechanical background.
  #2 PamcoPete knows what problems I've had with my unit, and agreed that a replacement was in order.
 
  I don't think he replaces every unit until he's satisfied that there is a problem with it.
  There's countless cars on the road that run without problems, yet a small percentage get recalled due to known factory issues. Not every one that rolls off the assembly line will have those issues, but some do. Same thing here. I wish I was in the lucky majority that had a trouble free unit, but it didn't turn out that way.
  Just because your unit was trouble free doesn't mean there aren't any sold without issues.
  To his credit, PamcoPete is great about warranty issues.
  That being said, I'd love to park my bike next to yours, and let any experts look at the builds, especially the wiring, and compare the quality of the work.


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[70CB750]

Well, you think wrong.   Pamcopete replaced units clearly damaged by the installer - at least one in the last year from what I remember.

My unit was trouble free, the first one I put 25 000 miles on it, the second one I bought for the second bike has so far 3 000 miles without problems  - and there are many other forum members here with the same experience.

But again, forum members know a bit about bikes and wrenching, not your typical crowd.

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not the typical crowd, there is nothing personal here.

[chewbacca5000]

I like points...

I can get points spot on, but they are not the right choice for everyone.  If your someone with one bike it is just easier to get something that is not triggered by points ie. dyna or pamco.

My choice would be pamco for a non point setup. 

Getting points right requires that they be practically brand new with points surfaces parallel to each other and mirror shiny with no pits.

You know your points need doing when you loose all your ability to advance.  You are no longer able to get to the F mark.

For a cross country trip you beat I would be sure to bring an extra igniton with me points plate or electronic.

[pamcopete]

Retro Rocket, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING. Google Pamco Ignition Problems, there are dozens upon dozens of complaints about this unit. To his credit, Pamco Pete is an honorable person, who it seems, refunds or exchanges without question, but this unit seems to have a very rocky reliability record. Seeing how long you've been a forum member, I find it hard to believe this is the FIRST problem you've ever heard.


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Seems like people who know what they are doing do not have problems with Pamco.  But I guess it is easier to blame the product - which I have the best experience with and there are many other forum members who run Pamco for years with 0 issues - than blaming yourself.

  #1 You don't know the first thing about what I know. As a Lead Aircraft Maintenance Technician for Continental / United Airlines for 28 years, I have a pretty sound mechanical background.
 
 

I am an active pilot and flew Cessna Skymasters for 22 years. During that time I had two rear engine failures in flight, both were maintenance related. One failure was 5 hours out of annual. The other was a blown cylinder on a recently rebuilt engine. The mechanics involved were very skilled, but mistakes happen to all of us. I also experienced a damaged front prop from a wrench that was left in the cowling that exited out of the front engine while on the ground. I experienced a damaged rear prop in flight from a piece of the muffler that exited the aircraft and hit the rear prop. That was also after a recent annual where the rear muffler was not properly inspected. Again, mistakes happen and most of the "dozens and dozens " of PAMCO customer reports are related to the initial installation.



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[FunJimmy]

  #1 You don't know the first thing about what I know. As a Lead Aircraft Maintenance Technician for Continental / United Airlines for 28 years, I have a pretty sound mechanical background.
  #2 PamcoPete knows what problems I've had with my unit, and agreed that a replacement was in order.
 
  I don't think he replaces every unit until he's satisfied that there is a problem with it.
  There's countless cars on the road that run without problems, yet a small percentage get recalled due to known factory issues. Not every one that rolls off the assembly line will have those issues, but some do. Same thing here. I wish I was in the lucky majority that had a trouble free unit, but it didn't turn out that way.
  Just because your unit was trouble free doesn't mean there aren't any sold without issues.
  To his credit, PamcoPete is great about warranty issues.
  That being said, I'd love to park my bike next to yours, and let any experts look at the builds, especially the wiring, and compare the quality of the work.

I understand the frustration of having your bike laid up waiting for replacement parts during riding season but it sounds like Pamco is doing a great job addressing the issue. Unfortunately, one has to read through the negative tone of your post to conclude this.

[540nova]

Pete has addressed my issue, I am a satisfied customer at this point. I pull multi-thousand dollar parts out of the stockroom to do aircraft repair, and occasionally we get new parts bad from stock. It happens.


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[pamcopete]

Pete has addressed my issue, I am a satisfied customer at this point. I pull multi-thousand dollar parts out of the stockroom to do aircraft repair, and occasionally we get new parts bad from stock. It happens.


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All PAMCO ignitions are tested prior to shipment. You have referred to your PAMCO as faulty but we have not had a chance to verify that.

[70CB750]

I like points...

I can get points spot on, but they are not the right choice for everyone. 

I worked with points on my CZ250 over in Czech Republic, I sold the CZ in 1995.

Getting back into motorcycles on this side of the ocean in 2011, I decided I am not relearning points again.  That old CZ never left me stranded because of points or anything else, it was a way to simplify, just like upgrading my CJ7 to fuel injection.

[bluezboy]

Electronic sonic, I'm the first one here who will glad bash a Dyna, what a piece of crap that unit was that was on my bike 3 years ago.That thing cost me a lot in towing bills after failing time after time, life has been great since Pandora runs on points as intended. sure some of you have had great luck with Dynas, but I must have gotten one from the sh*t pile! rant over !

[Jonesy]

I had a Dyna-S for a few years. The bike seemed to start easier and run a little smoother at idle, but it developed a hot misfire condition (when the unit would get hot, one set of cylinders would intermittently miss). I went back to points (OEM Honda) and no more problems. Id like to eventually get a HondaMan unit so I can have the benefits of each.