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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #125 on: February 08, 2017, 01:09:03 PM »
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2017, 05:21:16 PM »
really looking forward to watching this build progress.  did you decide what you will do after the cases come back from the blasting? paint? powdercoat?

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« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2017, 02:53:09 AM »
Good news, All my parts arrived safely in AZ and are now in the loving arms of Mr. Nils at Restocycle !!! WOHOOO. he gave me an A+ on my packing job which was surprising, considering i used everything i could find to stuff those two big ol' boxes.... I'll post updates shortly... He is an awesome guy and i am so excited and thankful to have him helping me with my project.

Hey Ruckus,  I actually was not going to cover up that beautiful work with any paint/powder coat. However, i will make sure to talk to Nils about best practices when it comes to that. From what i understand the vapor blast not only cleans the metal up nicely, but also helps to "peen" the surface to help create a finish that painting is not necessary. However, i've never gone this route before so i'll be sure to let you guys know.

I would hate to have all this work done and then have to hide it..... We'll see though, so pumped for this!!!!!
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2017, 08:29:40 AM »
Good news, All my parts arrived safely in AZ and are now in the loving arms of Mr. Nils at Restocycle !!! WOHOOO. he gave me an A+ on my packing job which was surprising, considering i used everything i could find to stuff those two big ol' boxes.... I'll post updates shortly... He is an awesome guy and i am so excited and thankful to have him helping me with my project.

Hey Ruckus,  I actually was not going to cover up that beautiful work with any paint/powder coat. However, i will make sure to talk to Nils about best practices when it comes to that. From what i understand the vapor blast not only cleans the metal up nicely, but also helps to "peen" the surface to help create a finish that painting is not necessary. However, i've never gone this route before so i'll be sure to let you guys know.

I would hate to have all this work done and then have to hide it..... We'll see though, so pumped for this!!!!!

Eric,

If I were you, I'd ask Nils what he recommends.  The peened surface may not require paint, but it will not likely be impervious to oxidation and certain types of staining from oil/fuel.  It may require you to periodically clean it to keep it nice and new looking.  Just remember that you will not be able to reach every crack and crevice.  Nil should be able to give you INFORMED advice, versus my speculation.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2017, 08:50:00 AM »
Good news, All my parts arrived safely in AZ and are now in the loving arms of Mr. Nils at Restocycle !!! WOHOOO. he gave me an A+ on my packing job which was surprising, considering i used everything i could find to stuff those two big ol' boxes.... I'll post updates shortly... He is an awesome guy and i am so excited and thankful to have him helping me with my project.

Hey Ruckus,  I actually was not going to cover up that beautiful work with any paint/powder coat. However, i will make sure to talk to Nils about best practices when it comes to that. From what i understand the vapor blast not only cleans the metal up nicely, but also helps to "peen" the surface to help create a finish that painting is not necessary. However, i've never gone this route before so i'll be sure to let you guys know.

I would hate to have all this work done and then have to hide it..... We'll see though, so pumped for this!!!!!

Eric,

If I were you, I'd ask Nils what he recommends.  The peened surface may not require paint, but it will not likely be impervious to oxidation and certain types of staining from oil/fuel.  It may require you to periodically clean it to keep it nice and new looking.  Just remember that you will not be able to reach every crack and crevice.  Nil should be able to give you INFORMED advice, versus my speculation.

As per Nils:

"Vapor blasting peens the surface very slightly and closes the pores of the aluminum as it does. I'm told that parts need very little maintenance just as is to look great for years, and a simple polish with something like Autosol is all that's needed to brighten it up again when you do."

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"I use Autosol as well and another polish called Maas, both are excellent. I find that the black smudge is usually easily buffed off with clean micofiber, following the application and rubbing steps as long as it doesn't dry out before I do. Are you finding that the dried blackened polish isn't coming up? Or is it just drying too fast?

Carb cleaner is of course a super powerful solvent and not much withstands it, including this black dried polish stuff but I imagine it left behind a dusty chalky surface and gave you a headache to boot.  I'd suggest you switch to mineral spirits on a clean microfiber and try to remove the polish before it dries completely, then buff one last time with a clean microfiber cloth.

I use a protectant called Boeshield, others rave over a product called ACF-50, and there's another that is used in the UK and Oz that I can't recall at the moment, but I think it is a CRC product. Once you're happy with the appearance, I'd suggest a mist of that, followed by a fast buff with the microfiber.

Last thought: Aluminum inevitably darkens as the layer of aluminum oxide forms on its surface. This is a natural aspect of its aging, and can only be slowed down by either diligent cleaning as above and use of protectants, or by coating, clear anodizing, etc."
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2017, 09:30:41 AM »
So there you go.  You can keep them clean with some diligent maintenance.  You will still have to contend with cracks and crevices, and surface oxidation -- unless you coat or paint.  Still, a LOT better than polishing or sandblasting.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2017, 10:59:53 AM »
I have been handling my cases and covers with gross dirty hands in the shop. It leaves smudges and fingerprints but as Nils said, it can be easily wiped down and brought back to new.

I cant speak for the test of time, but in my handling of it it looks like it is going to hold up nicely (with a little bit of love and attention, but nothing crazy like keeping polish bright as you stated).
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2017, 10:49:53 AM »
Hmmm, Decisions, Decisions..... I really love the look of the "vapor blasted" finish, and would hate to cover it up. Nils recommended some type of spray/cleaner/sealer type stuff, I'll have to check the name...Boenshield or something?

I have the motor all planned out "color-wise" based on the cases being the vapor blasted silver, but i guess i could paint them if I really had to....

I have some beautifully powdercoated matt black side covers so the motor will be a combo of a satin/matte black and silver (or that's what i was planning at least)...I post up some photos of the covers and later. i'll toss around some ideas and see, but for now I'll probably just leave it bare (vapor blasted) ....

IF anyone has done this in the past and had negative results , please let me know... I would really appreciate it. THanks
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #133 on: February 15, 2017, 10:54:06 AM »
^ Exactly why I had the crank cases done in black. Will hide some of the dirt and it will break the motor up some - in my opinion at least.

Nils recommends using the metal protectant called Boeshield T-9. He coats the parts with this before they're shipped back to you.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #134 on: February 15, 2017, 11:33:11 AM »
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i guess i could paint them if I really had to....

You don't. Bare Metal Mafia!
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« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2017, 11:53:37 AM »
I'll have to decide what to do, I'm leaning towards leaving them bare....

This is my idea (which i already have everything for the motor).... Cases (upper and lower) bare silver, Side covers, Matte black , Oil filter cover, starter cover, front sprocket cover (all matte black), Jugs matte black, The head (done up by the world famous Mike Rieck), Is already silver and ready to go, and then i have a beautiful matte black valve cover with some of Justin Webster's tappet covers and a matching tach plug in silver anodized.....

Kind of hard to visualize but I have thought it out a bit.... haha.

I will have to do all my research then make the best decision possible and ride the snot out of it!!! ha-ha.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2017, 12:23:48 PM »
I'll have to decide what to do, I'm leaning towards leaving them bare....

This is my idea (which i already have everything for the motor).... Cases (upper and lower) bare silver, Side covers, Matte black , Oil filter cover, starter cover, front sprocket cover (all matte black), Jugs matte black, The head (done up by the world famous Mike Rieck), Is already silver and ready to go, and then i have a beautiful matte black valve cover with some of Justin Webster's tappet covers and a matching tach plug in silver anodized.....

Kind of hard to visualize but I have thought it out a bit.... haha.

I will have to do all my research then make the best decision possible and ride the snot out of it!!! ha-ha.

photoshop it and see how you like it.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #137 on: February 15, 2017, 02:30:37 PM »
So this is pretty much exactly what I'm going for just with black cylinders also...
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2017, 02:38:14 PM »
like this?  ;D


Im thinking about doing a black cylinder with block sanded fins, or putting engine paint on a roller and painting just the fin tips black.  Ill start photoshopping my own motor once I get it all back from Mike.

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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2017, 06:40:30 AM »
Hey Cal, That's solid advice, I will look into the best thing to do for it. I do want to have the cylinders done in black but am trying to find the best engine paint that i can for it. WHen I was up at Mike Rieck's he had done his valve cover with a PJ1 wrinkle black that looked extremely nice and was very durable according to him.

I wouldn't do the wrinkle but a satin (matte) black would be perfect. IF anyone has recommendations on a better paint for the motor , please holler at me.

I'm also not against powdering the cylinders, I just want to keep all the gasket surfaces (which right now are literally perfectly clean after Mike Rieck's work), Clean of any powder.....

NIls, sent me some updates of my parts, Some photos of the work that's been done already..... HOLY CRAP is all I have to say, this guy knows what he's doing....The parts look amazing!!!  I'll post some up shortly,
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2017, 07:10:05 AM »
OH Man, that looks awesome!!!  I have a butt load of VHT high temp ceramic paint and duplicolor at the house but with the bike I'm building I would rather spend a bit more and not have to worry about chipping/flaking cheaper paint.

The issue I'm wondering about is the head and cylinders have already been cleaned up on the gasket surfaces, the cylinder is all bored/honed for the Wiseco's..

Cal, On yours did you get it powdered before doing the bore / hone ?
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2017, 07:11:37 AM »
my bad , I just saw you said "after Milling". 

What brand did you use on your head? All three of those look amazing.
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2017, 10:05:06 AM »
The head and jugs on all my wire cooled bikes is a professionally applied Thermal Dispersion coating. Same guy who does my powder, ceramic, DFL coatings; Andy Vaughan of Thermal Tech in Hopewell, VA. Awesome guy, great service, reasonable pricing. He does NOT do Vapor Blasting. Besides, next to Nils, everyone else is 3rd best  :)

You are using the M-unit to wire cool your motor now!  you have taken it to the next level, sir!

Thanks for the info, I had not heard about that treatment, I'll ask around in LA!  Do you think that finish would suit itself for the fins to be block sanded or do you think it should be left alone?
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« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2017, 08:08:45 PM »
I'll check to make sure this uploads correctly, then post more..... This is what of the coolest things i've ever seen....These parts were not destroyed but were not in nice shape either. Nil's is the freakin man!!! Been super helpful throughout the entire process (and patient) haha. Took me a while to get these out to him but let me say, I am 120% glad that I did and I haven't even seen them in person yet.

If this photo shows up alright, i'll post up more .
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« Reply #144 on: February 17, 2017, 12:24:22 AM »
I'm so pumped for this, just amazing work Nils puts into these...a couple more
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« Reply #145 on: February 17, 2017, 12:32:02 AM »
Cases, oil pan, covers.... The carbs look amazing and i sent along the full linkage and choke linkage too so everything will have that nice finish....
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« Reply #146 on: February 17, 2017, 12:32:52 AM »
Beautiful! 
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Re: 1978 CB750 - Re-born a 836cc Wiseco JMR Ported Hot Rod
« Reply #147 on: February 17, 2017, 12:51:19 AM »
He has a set of beautiful Koni 7610 - Aluminum bodied shocks that are getting done up while they're out there too...They;re going to look so f'ing sweet after this..... I'll keep you fellas posted on the build / info. Thanks again for all the help and support along the way.....This forum is still the BEST!
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« Reply #148 on: February 17, 2017, 04:17:50 AM »
OK.....you got the parts....now get busy! ;) ;D
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« Reply #149 on: February 17, 2017, 05:29:00 AM »
You Bet Mike!!! This stuff has all been a long time coming. Once I get the parts back from NIls, Im going to toss the lower case into the engine stand and give all these awesome parts a nice cozy introduction to eachother in those clean engine cases.....

Will read through my manuals/hondaman's book to make sure i don't miss any steps but i'll start by putting that pesky Kickstarter mechanism back in.....

This motor should be amazing with all the new tensioners, HD Chains, clutch, balanced crank, rods, and topped off with that sweet Stage 2+ head and Webcam 63A .,... This baby is really going to sing!!!
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