Topic: Transistorized ignition, points style. First ones are ready!

[Klark Kent]

damn you dynacoils! 

let me know when you want to try out the old #4
-KK

[HondaMan]

It will be soon, at this rate!

[Terry in Australia]

No worries Mark, my K1 engine is back together and in situ in the frame, and will be running again tomorrow or Friday, and is booked in for registration inspection of February the 8th. Once it's "on the road" I'll be riding the wheels off it, so you'll be getting regular reports from ol' #3, ha ha!

[Dennis]

........... so you'll be getting regular reports from ol' #3, ha ha!

Terry, I always had the impression that you thought much more highly of yourself than ol' #3 

So you no longer want to be #!?   

[hcritz]

Hey HondaMan...
Sounds good to me...
The installation sounds easy enough.
I'll need to go out and rev her up to redline a time or two before the installation to make sure there is no misfire in the stock condition. I don't run the bike that hard much, but last time she wound right up to the red in the lower gears fine.
Will do her good to have nice an Italian tune-up anyway!<G>

[HondaMan]

No worries Mark, my K1 engine is back together and in situ in the frame, and will be running again tomorrow or Friday, and is booked in for registration inspection of February the 8th. Once it's "on the road" I'll be riding the wheels off it, so you'll be getting regular reports from ol' #3, ha ha!

Perfect!
I just opened a package of PC boards, so I'll be a-building within the hour.

I just started the DYNA coil testing, too. It draws about twice as much current as the Honda coils do, and the spark is noticeably bigger. I'd recommend running a gap of .050" with these coils, which will give stronger low and midrange power ,with better MPG to boot. The "droop" at high RPM is much more severe than the Honda coils: at 8000 RPM, the Honda coils droop about 15%, while the DYNA coils droop 50%. At about 7500 RPM, they are equal output, and at 10,000 RPM the Honda coils are stronger, because they have not drooped as much. Interesting. The "kickback" from the DYNA coils is very strong, probably because of the stronger magnetic field, which will certainly be harder on points and condensors than the stock setups.

Although, if a transistor is doing the work, the points will never notice.   

[Terry in Australia]

Woohoo! I'm as giddy as a school-girl! (But that might be the crack cocaine I've been smoking, plus I'm wearing my school-girl uniform, ha ha!)  

[Klark Kent]

i did a search for green dyna coils point gap and this was the only thread that came up, so... 

should i be doing something different with my point gap than stock spec from the shop manual(550K1)? 
-KK

[Terry in Australia]

........... so you'll be getting regular reports from ol' #3, ha ha!

Terry, I always had the impression that you thought much more highly of yourself than ol' #3 

So you no longer want to be #!?   

Well of course Dennis, I'm a legend in my own mind, but in this context #3 will do me fine, ha ha!

[Terry in Australia]

No worries Mark, my K1 engine is back together and in situ in the frame, and will be running again tomorrow or Friday, and is booked in for registration inspection of February the 8th. Once it's "on the road" I'll be riding the wheels off it, so you'll be getting regular reports from ol' #3, ha ha!

Perfect!
I just opened a package of PC boards, so I'll be a-building within the hour.

I just started the DYNA coil testing, too. It draws about twice as much current as the Honda coils do, and the spark is noticeably bigger. I'd recommend running a gap of .050" with these coils, which will give stronger low and midrange power ,with better MPG to boot. The "droop" at high RPM is much more severe than the Honda coils: at 8000 RPM, the Honda coils droop about 15%, while the DYNA coils droop 50%. At about 7500 RPM, they are equal output, and at 10,000 RPM the Honda coils are stronger, because they have not drooped as much. Interesting. The "kickback" from the DYNA coils is very strong, probably because of the stronger magnetic field, which will certainly be harder on points and condensors than the stock setups.

Although, if a transistor is doing the work, the points will never notice.   

Geez that's a big gap Mark, that's about twice the recommended gap in my bike manual? (0.6 - 0.7mm) Woohoo! Can I run that gap with the Dyna S and 3 ohm coils I've got in it now?

[HondaMan]

Geez that's a big gap Mark, that's about twice the recommended gap in my bike manual? (0.6 - 0.7mm) Woohoo! Can I run that gap with the Dyna S and 3 ohm coils I've got in it now?

I'd sure try it. Those coils really generate a lot of HV current! You might even get that monster 750 to idle that way, too.   

[hcritz]

Hey HondaMan!
Looking forward to trying the new "BOX"...I've thought several times about getting one of the Dyna units to eliminate the old points system...but I just never seem to have any trouble with them...the bike starts/runs/idles fine as is.  If it ain't broke...don't fix it!
The nice thing about your system is that if something fails...just hook up the condensers and go back to stock...you aren't stranded on the side of the road with a burned up black box. I gather the Dyna unit must be very reliable actually.
I'll be incommunicado next week...a little R&R on the slopes and after 911 it's just too much trouble to try and take a laptop through the airport. Be sort of nice to have a break from the E-mail too!
Just let me know what the cost of the box is and shipping and I'll be glad to send you a check...
Thanks!
ED

[HondaMan]

Hey HondaMan!
Looking forward to trying the new "BOX"...I've thought several times about getting one of the Dyna units to eliminate the old points system...but I just never seem to have any trouble with them...the bike starts/runs/idles fine as is.  If it ain't broke...don't fix it!
The nice thing about your system is that if something fails...just hook up the condensers and go back to stock...you aren't stranded on the side of the road with a burned up black box. I gather the Dyna unit must be very reliable actually.
I'll be incommunicado next week...a little R&R on the slopes and after 911 it's just too much trouble to try and take a laptop through the airport. Be sort of nice to have a break from the E-mail too!
Just let me know what the cost of the box is and shipping and I'll be glad to send you a check...
Thanks!
ED

Are you coming to Colorado?

[Terry in Australia]

That'd be a good "before and after" test, ride it to Marks place noting the responsiveness and fuel economy etc along the way, then compare the difference on the way home! 

[hcritz]

Hey Honda Man!
Yep...flying into Denver tomorrow...driving up to Breck and Vail for the week.
I'll drop you a P.M. with my cell #
Where are you located???

Hey Terry...man...that would be a long ride!!! A bit chilly this time of year too!!!
Would love to do that in the spring though!

[Terry in Australia]

Hey Terry...man...that would be a long ride!!! A bit chilly this time of year too!!!
Would love to do that in the spring though!

I've no idea where you live mate, but I'm sure it'll be a great ride!

Geez that's a big gap Mark, that's about twice the recommended gap in my bike manual? (0.6 - 0.7mm) Woohoo! Can I run that gap with the Dyna S and 3 ohm coils I've got in it now?

I'd sure try it. Those coils really generate a lot of HV current! You might even get that monster 750 to idle that way, too.

Well I did re-gap 'em Mark, and you were quite right, with the standard OEM gap of .030 (.7mm) the spark was pretty weak, so I opened it up to .050 (1.27mm) and I could see the spark was fatter and bluer, and after dropping the main jets down from 110's to 105's I fired it up, and it seems to idle smoother, but there were 2 cars in my driveway blocking my escape, so I parked it for the evening. I've just hooked up the dual front discs with braided lines etc, so once I've bled the air out I'll take it for a ride to guage the difference with the leaner mains and wider plug gap. Cheers, Terry.

[HondaMan]

Well I did re-gap 'em Mark, and you were quite right, with the standard OEM gap of .030 (.7mm) the spark was pretty weak, so I opened it up to .050 (1.27mm) and I could see the spark was fatter and bluer, and after dropping the main jets down from 110's to 105's I fired it up, and it seems to idle smoother, but there were 2 cars in my driveway blocking my escape, so I parked it for the evening. I've just hooked up the dual front discs with braided lines etc, so once I've bled the air out I'll take it for a ride to guage the difference with the leaner mains and wider plug gap. Cheers, Terry.

Hey, Terry, how's that beastie running?
I'm almost done with the first 2 ignition units.

[HondaMan]

Hey Honda Man!
Yep...flying into Denver tomorrow...driving up to Breck and Vail for the week.
I'll drop you a P.M. with my cell #
Where are you located???

Hey Terry...man...that would be a long ride!!! A bit chilly this time of year too!!!
Would love to do that in the spring though!

Hey, Hcritz;

Sorry about your friend's mishap in the mountains. I hope you came out OK and she's going to be all right. 

I'm almost done with the first 2 units. Can you send me your address?

[Terry in Australia]

Hey, Terry, how's that beastie running?
I'm almost done with the first 2 ignition units.

G'Day Mark, well I'm very sick today, it's Monday here and I'm so sick I had to stay home from work and ride my K1 Kruiser over to my local bike shop and get it inspected for roadworthiness, so I can take it to the Oz version of your DMV so I can get it registered on Thursday, anyway it (just) passed the inspection, Jeff the inspector wasn't too keen on the loud pipe and the home-made chain guard, (the 150 rear tire negates the OEM item) not to mention the braided brake lines, but eventually, he couldn't stand watching a grown man crying like a little girl and eating dirt, so he gave me my "green slip" and told me to bugger-off, Woohoo!

I got home and parked it when I went inside for a cold drink (it's 100 deg F outside today) but when I walked back outside, there was oil under the engine? Shiite! I checked around the head gasket, sump-plug,oil filter, oil-tank plug etc, but no leak, and as I scratched my head in abject confusion, I saw oil on the points cover? Huh? Then I realised that the rubber bung on my crappy 60 psi oil pressure gauge had blown out? Ha ha, no problemo, I had a new 100 psi item in a box, so I've swapped that out, and it's oil tight again! I'm looking forward to fitting your ignition mate, the  weather here will stay warm and dry for the next 3 months or so, then I'll be able to test it on those chilly 60-70 deg F winter days! Cheers, Terry.

[hcritz]

Good Morning Mark...
Enjoyed talking with you the other evening. I'd say we are both motorheads!<G>
Annette is doing OK...she's headed to the ortho guy today for an MRI on her knee and get the broken arm checked out. Looks like they did a good job setting it there at Breckenridge and it won't require any surgery etc.
Getting her home trough the airport with a bum knee and an arm cast was a bit of a challenge! Security was at Orange...so everyting had to be checked out, but we made it home fine.
I rode a bit yesterday afternoon...was a bit chilly, but not too bad...just puttered around town...compared to a wind chill of -70 on the mountain Friday...it wasn't bad at all!
I'll get you to send the box to my office here...someone will be here to accept it that way.
Address here is:

Haimes Critz
U.S. Forest Service
201 Lincoln Green
Starkville, MS 39759

Looking forward to giving the new box a try!
Thanks!
H.C.

[HondaMan]

OK, looks like we're about ready to go. I'm soldering up several boards tonite, will be packaging the wiring tomorrow or so. Then I'll run them a little before sending them out.

[Terry in Australia]

Woohoo!

[oldbiker]

Hi Terry, nice looking bike- but I didn't realise you Aussie guys had arms as long as a Gorillas. Maybe that's why your bowlers do so well

[oldfordguy]

I came across this in my travels in cyberspace, and wondered how this would compare to the one HondaMan is working on.  I realize it would take 2 of these for our bikes, but it sounds in essence to be the same thing he is working on now.
http://www.apogeekits.com/electronic_ignition.htm

[cosmo]

OK, looks like we're about ready to go. I'm soldering up several boards tonite, will be packaging the wiring tomorrow or so. Then I'll run them a little before sending them out.

If these prove successful I'll take 2 when you get into some more production.