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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #350 on: November 26, 2018, 09:16:40 PM »
Will this build ever cease?

That piece was found in the oil pan and I feared what eventually was the case.

Speaking of case... if some of you were wondering if the case could be split without removing the top end.



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« Reply #351 on: November 27, 2018, 03:07:14 AM »
yesss ..thats is my plan..to do..but vas not 100% it vas possibel..
now i can safe all gaskets.. and thange my camthain..and thek the horseshue mekanism..and get the new crank inn....just pull the buttom and valve cover
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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #352 on: November 27, 2018, 01:47:12 PM »
Is the amount of slop on the front sprocket here way out?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EfkZtf1EPtkb860M_E-Mjrm1TybbhxNr/view?usp=drivesdk
Will check on bearing but I was thinking perhaps these sprockets wear a bit?


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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #353 on: November 27, 2018, 02:01:09 PM »
I would assume it is designed like the cb750 and it is meant to have some wobble
If it works good, it looks good...

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« Reply #354 on: November 27, 2018, 02:06:32 PM »
Ah. Thanks, Sean. I’ll have to check more closely as this was probably done around midnight last night. Gotta love it


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IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #355 on: December 06, 2018, 06:43:56 PM »
Wanted to refer back to this image...

That piece between my fingers is a slice of the piston ring, 2nd one down from top, piston #2.
According to the manual, there’s a supposed taper to these rings, specifically that one that snapped on mine:

Curious how that broke so clean and not leaving much of a mark in the cylinder.
Here’s what my replacement looks like (from Cruzin Image, Japan):

With the “R” mark oriented on top, there appears to be a very slight taper from a profile view. Well, fingers are crossed this is the correct side up. This is also how I thought I had the ring set in the piston groove previously, otherwise I’m not sure how else it could have snapped - unless I did indeed have it flipped.

Meanwhile, ordered some parts. Making an attempt at replacing the whole top end to address a bunch of things like blow by and some stripped threads; I will definitely make a better effort to torque down to spec.
Here’s a shot of the cylinder and head, post hot and soapy bath:

Someone real smart had the genius idea of gluing the gaskets onto these parts. Made for a real not fun and dumb removal process.
I will say that out of ALL of the trials I went through and trying to remove the gaskets, AIRCRAFT Paint Remover (by Klean-Strip, sold here in the States) worked the best. The stuff even cleans up stubborn carbon deposits real well (consider pistons and exhaust passages in head, valves etc)
On this round of engine rebuild #4, I will keep the engine surface bare and not encapsulate it in paint as I’ve done previously. I think coating the engine case traps in some of the heat and makes the engine run hotter than it should.



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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #356 on: December 06, 2018, 10:08:28 PM »
I think coating the engine case traps in some of the heat and makes the engine run hotter than it should.
Nah. Anecdotal horse hooey. Paint or unpainted, it’s airflow that cools the engine. Paint is not thick enough to inhibit the radiation of heat.  :)
Horse hoo-haw! Thanks, calj


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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #357 on: December 06, 2018, 10:49:55 PM »
POR-15 engine enamel is thick stuff, but you aren't using that. Painted a Volvo B20 (2.0L) iron block out of my '66 with it and it held up really well with good protection and gloss for years. It went on pretty thick and flowed out nicely without thinning for brushing it on.  I wouldn't choose it to paint my Honda MC motor though. Not because it wasn't good paint, it is...but, because it was so thick.  Hardest part was treating the block to degrease it...wasn't hot tanked as I did the rebuild over a weekend.
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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #358 on: December 08, 2018, 12:25:15 AM »

So, regarding piston ring gap orientation...
Any decent guess as to why the ring gaps must not be in the position of the piston pin boss or at right angle of the pin?


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« Reply #359 on: December 08, 2018, 07:55:21 AM »
its not the point...its the spacing between the gap..vho must be 120 "grader"..they vill over time rotate..so its just a start point...its on 2 strokes the rings are locked by small pins..to be stasonary..so they not grab in a boost chanal..vith one end..

think the rekomandision is abaut the moment of the piston..forvard and backvert..at the turn points.(  piston all up) can be hard to nev rings..
but think not it is somthing you need to vory abaut
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« Reply #360 on: December 08, 2018, 06:12:28 PM »
Thanks, strynboen


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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #361 on: December 10, 2018, 10:23:23 PM »

Dowel pin 12x20. The ones pictured here are probably a bit too far gone. I’ve tried PB Blaster, heat (maybe not enough), some force with a set of dumb pliers and to no avail. These would be coming out of my old cylinder but before I place a dumb order just for a set of 4 new ones maybe there’s some nifty way to get these out before I squash them to oblivion?


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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #362 on: December 11, 2018, 03:05:10 AM »
a few drops of Kroil and massive amounts of heat, twist while pulling up. Good luck, still probably need newbies....Larry

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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #363 on: December 11, 2018, 06:51:12 AM »
If you're replacing them, I filed a small flat and then drilled a hole right thru and used the drill or a pin or wire thru the hole to pull them out.

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« Reply #364 on: December 11, 2018, 07:25:09 AM »
One of the two dowels have been slightly shaped out of round now due to me being dumb and trying to force it out by gripping and trying to get turns out of it with some channel lock pliers. No bueno. Still usable, maybe? These dowels act more as alignment guides and don’t really make a seal, correct? However, there are two of the outside corner dowels that do receive rubber seals that go around them, and those have fortunately come out with no issue.

Hot hot heat. Copy.
Will give it another shot tonight.
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« Reply #365 on: December 14, 2018, 07:38:16 PM »
Fresh ammo. Boom.



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« Reply #366 on: December 16, 2018, 12:31:33 AM »
Feeling gooder about this. Fourth time’s a charm.



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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #367 on: December 23, 2018, 08:22:55 PM »
Season’s Greetings, SOHC peeps!

Went out for another ride after a yet another engine rebuild, this time makes number... three? Four?

First gear is still catching in a weird way. It shifts into first fine and all but when revving to about 1/4 throttle, there’s an egregious “clunk-clunk” like it’s falling in between engagement/disengagement. This is the best way I can describe it. I’m thinking maybe I installed the shift forks in a wrong way? The middle shift fork can only go in one way but the other two...
Hmmm. Could it be the gear shift mechanism behind the right-side cover? The manual and parts diagram that I’ve studied aren’t great at showing how the shift forms go.
Well, whatever the case, looks like I’m either gonna be riding out of second gear for a while or it’s time to split the case again to address this darn clunking.
Any ideas?


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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #368 on: December 24, 2018, 03:10:27 AM »
have you thekked for raundet dogs..(.clav clutches)..if there not are Sharp egdes..the  gear vill be forced to jump
.undercutting the gear can help(if the gear ..not are total veared aut)..but make the shift under powerharder to do..so you need to learn to do the power shift in a special vay let the pover off for a short..by shifting..or it just Lock in the gear...but it can not jump aut..
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Re: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F
« Reply #369 on: December 24, 2018, 08:02:09 AM »
Thank you, strynboen. I will check for rounded edges on my clutch discs when I lean the bike and pop the clutch cover off. This is very peculiar...


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« Reply #370 on: December 24, 2018, 08:10:28 AM »
He is referencing the shift forks, a case splitter

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« Reply #371 on: December 24, 2018, 08:33:16 AM »
Daaaahhhh.

I loathe dealing with oil. Well, no wasting time then. Gonna go out for a brisk ride to warm up the bike and drain this puppy. Will inspect these “dogs”


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« Reply #372 on: December 24, 2018, 11:48:31 AM »

Version 5.2.0 pending updates


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« Reply #373 on: December 25, 2018, 10:58:22 AM »
Well, this is becoming a real journey into absurdity...

Secondary drive bolt head wanted to have a peek of my garage during a carb sync. I’m lucky this didn’t happen while I was on the road. Anyone ever see this happen before?


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« Reply #374 on: December 25, 2018, 12:48:34 PM »
Loose bolt on the sekundery shaft.(or is it the primar shaft)....eating the cover...had one before...just weld the hole--and teight the bolt...and get a new Lock plate behind the bolt..as i renember..long time been there
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