Author Topic: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F (Read 67316 times)

minimo · « **Reply #175 on:** May 16, 2018, 09:35:56 AM »

This answer from Mike’s:

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As long as you have 36 hole stock hubs our rims will work. Almost all 36 hole hubs and wheels are drilled the same way and we sell then to CB360 owners all the time. Unfortunately you will most likely have to get spokes made for the conversion. The rims are powder coated, not painted.

I was looking into buying a whole new set of 18” rims because I figured it be cheaper than getting my original ones powdercoated. But, seeing as I may need to purchase a whole new spike set with nipples, maybe I’m back to my first option...

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MoMo · « **Reply #176 on:** May 16, 2018, 10:34:08 AM »

Quote from: minimo on May 16, 2018, 09:35:56 AM

This answer from Mike’s:
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As long as you have 36 hole stock hubs our rims will work. Almost all 36 hole hubs and wheels are drilled the same way and we sell then to CB360 owners all the time. Unfortunately you will most likely have to get spokes made for the conversion. The rims are powder coated, not painted.
I was looking into buying a whole new set of 18” rims because I figured it be cheaper than getting my original ones powdercoated. But, seeing as I may need to purchase a whole new spike set with nipples, maybe I’m back to my first option...

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I am fairly certain keeping your present rims would be less expensive but they sure are some nice looking rims on Mikes

minimo · « **Reply #177 on:** May 16, 2018, 11:07:18 AM »

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The diameter of the (rim) holes are 7mm

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minimo · « **Reply #178 on:** May 18, 2018, 10:14:01 PM »

Quote from: strynboen on May 16, 2018, 08:07:14 AM

you already have a 18 at the back...so no ekstra free.. under the seat..have yoy freed up the battery space

Hi, strynboen. Sorry for not answering you sooner but YES!!! Had to modify the battery mount and push it forward a bit but we now have good clearance of the rear wheel. I’ve taken some rough roads too so it definitely clears. Thanks!
So yeah, I can def keep the same rear. Goodbye chrome.

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minimo · « **Reply #179 on:** May 24, 2018, 04:35:04 PM »

Here’s a shot of me working on my bike this weekend.

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MoMo · « **Reply #180 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:16:38 PM »

I thought you were taller

minimo · « **Reply #181 on:** May 29, 2018, 06:33:35 PM »

So I was noticing an amp reading of 14.9V when reaching high revs on my bike which can't be too good for my Shorai LFX14A-BS12.

I just found out that Rick's has a reg/reg (14-100) that is designed with a lower voltage set point to work with "lithium ion" batteries and claims to have a voltage peak point set to 14V +/- .2V which is probably what I want. Are these lower voltage reg/recs new?

I purchased the one higher amp Rick's reg/rec that's connected now (10-100) back in May so I hope 4into1.com will be amenable to either a replacement (if they even have the 14-100) or a refund.

There's always gotta be something.

minimo · « **Reply #182 on:** May 30, 2018, 05:51:45 PM »

So here's the word from Shorai about using the Rick's 10-100 reg/rec:

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I ran your info by the lead tech and he agreed that the 14.5-14.8V would be better than the 14V +/-.

This answer from Rick's 10-100:

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You will need to contact Shorai to see what a compatible set point is for your battery; if the set point it too high on the rec-reg it most likely will fry the rec-reg and the battery which is not covered under warranty. If you do need to switch to the 14-100 you will need to order direct from us – we have not made the product available to distributors yet because we are still producing the line of product. Here is the information for our product so you can decide which piece will work better for your system:

https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/Lithium-Ion-Battery-Compatible-Rectifier-Regulator-14_100
Rick's Motorsport Electrics offers a Brand New Aftermarket Rectifier-Regulator for your Vintage Honda Street Bikes that is designed with a lower voltage set point to work with lithium ion batteries. Rick's part # 10-100 is a combination unit that will replace the separate rectifier & regulator in your system. *Installation Instructions will be included - User's will need to designate a mounting spot for this rec-reg on their bike.

*Please be sure to use our Year/Make/Model Part Search to ensure this product will work for your machine!

**This rec-reg is not for use with standard lead acid batteries. Rick's recommends Ballistic Performance Batteries; for all other manufacturers of Lithium Ion Batteries please contact the manufacturer of the battery to ensure our product set point is compatible with their battery. The voltage set point is 14V +/- .2.

***Rick's Motorsport Electrics One Year Product Warranty is for the Rec-Reg only. Rick's warranty does not cover batteries of any type.
Retail Price: $114.95

https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/OEM-Style-Honda-Rectifier-Regulator-10_100 Set point is 14.5-14.8 DCV.

OEM Style Honda Rectifier-Regulator: This is a combination unit which will replace the OEM regulator and rectifier; OE plugs and installation instructions are included.
Retail Price: $104.95

However, I went on to mention to Shorai that I was reading 14.9V at my gauge which pulls from the 12V at ignition and this reading gets about .9V under what the battery actually reads, so that's 15.8V at the battery when it's at peak. Shorai had this to answer with:

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Although the recommended ceiling is 15.2V and we have tested it far higher than that with success, it is possible that it could cause the battery lifespan to be a bit short due to increased internal resistance from the prolonged heat exposure.

Worst case scenario would be if you started from very low voltage, somehow bumpstarted it and then it was hit with pretty high voltage right off the bat. It can cause one or two of the cells to overcharge. That could cause outgassing (steaming battery)

We'll see if I have to prove Shorai wrong when I get more rides in.

Calj, if you're out there. You have a similar set up with a Rick's reg/rec 10-100 and a Shorai LFX, right? Your battery is maybe bigger and can handle larger loads but you haven't had any issues, right?

minimo · « **Reply #183 on:** May 30, 2018, 05:54:08 PM »

Btw, per Rick's, their 14-100 reg/rec is currently only available through them here:
https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/Lithium-Ion-Battery-Compatible-Rectifier-Regulator-14_100

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Rick's Motorsport Electrics offers a Brand New Aftermarket Rectifier-Regulator for your Vintage Honda Street Bike that is designed with a lower voltage set point to work with lithium ion batteries. Rick's part # 10-100 is a combination unit that will replace the separate rectifier & regulator in your system. *Installation Instructions will be included - User's will need to designate a mounting spot for this rec-reg on their bike.

*Please be sure to use our Year/Make/Model Part Search to ensure this product will work for your machine!

**This rec-reg is not for use with standard lead acid batteries. Rick's recommends Ballistic Performance Batteries; for all other manufacturers of Lithium Ion Batteries please contact the manufacturer of the battery to ensure our product set point is compatible with their battery. The voltage set point is 14V +/- .2.

***Rick's Motorsport Electrics One Year Product Warranty is for the Rec-Reg only. Rick's warranty does not cover batteries of any type.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #184 on:** May 30, 2018, 07:51:37 PM »

Quote from: minimo on May 30, 2018, 05:54:08 PM

Btw, per Rick's, their 14-100 reg/rec is currently only available through them here:
https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/Lithium-Ion-Battery-Compatible-Rectifier-Regulator-14_100

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Rick's Motorsport Electrics offers a Brand New Aftermarket Rectifier-Regulator for your Vintage Honda Street Bike that is designed with a lower voltage set point to work with lithium ion batteries. Rick's part # 10-100 is a combination unit that will replace the separate rectifier & regulator in your system. *Installation Instructions will be included - User's will need to designate a mounting spot for this rec-reg on their bike.

*Please be sure to use our Year/Make/Model Part Search to ensure this product will work for your machine!

**This rec-reg is not for use with standard lead acid batteries. Rick's recommends Ballistic Performance Batteries; for all other manufacturers of Lithium Ion Batteries please contact the manufacturer of the battery to ensure our product set point is compatible with their battery. The voltage set point is 14V +/- .2.

***Rick's Motorsport Electrics One Year Product Warranty is for the Rec-Reg only. Rick's warranty does not cover batteries of any type.

Good to know. Thanks for sharing.

minimo · « **Reply #185 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:34:11 PM »

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zK7ymNlHcCCA2H2ozWTXxlN8CyDfJxhF
So I’ve got some 70 miles now on this bike, mostly short rides as I only have a Moving Permit and the breather is still a bit “smokey”. Hoping this will burn off eventually? The engine too is running noticeably a bit hot on longer rides (naturally?)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VgHcdxgK5LlPmZuXWzgcuKdF9ZfW3UHF

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SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #186 on:** June 12, 2018, 03:28:43 PM »

Or you can spend $45 MORE(!) and get a similar reg/rec system from Revival with spiffy connectors. https://revivalcycles.com/collections/new-products/products/lifepo4-compatible-mosfet-regulator-rectifier

minimo · « **Reply #187 on:** June 12, 2018, 08:29:16 PM »

Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on June 12, 2018, 03:28:43 PM

Or you can spend $45 MORE(!) and get a similar reg/rec system from Revival with spiffy connectors. https://revivalcycles.com/collections/new-products/products/lifepo4-compatible-mosfet-regulator-rectifier

I’m not paying $45 extra to make an already tight fit tighter with those fancy connectors. Thanks but I’ll stick to the flying leads.

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SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #188 on:** June 13, 2018, 07:53:58 AM »

Quote from: minimo on June 12, 2018, 08:29:16 PM

Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on June 12, 2018, 03:28:43 PM
Or you can spend $45 MORE(!) and get a similar reg/rec system from Revival with spiffy connectors. https://revivalcycles.com/collections/new-products/products/lifepo4-compatible-mosfet-regulator-rectifier
I’m not paying $45 extra to make an already tight fit tighter with those fancy connectors. Thanks but I’ll stick to the flying leads.

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minimo · « **Reply #189 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:53:54 PM »

Seems I overtightened a bolt on my oil pan and caused a crack that looks pretty bad and now dribbles oil. Are cracks in these aluminum oil pans repairable?

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strynboen · « **Reply #190 on:** July 12, 2018, 01:54:31 AM »

easy to tig veld...but hard to polish nice after

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #191 on:** July 12, 2018, 10:02:30 AM »

Given the porosity of the existing pan, I would opt for a replacement. Cheap and much easier.

minimo · « **Reply #192 on:** July 12, 2018, 10:29:12 AM »

Thanks, guys!
I appreciate your pro-weld responses calj and strynboen. I think I will try to opt for a replacement. I understand that a CB350 pan of the same year would be able to adapt?

Anybody know anybody who might be ok with relinquishing their old oil pan?

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minimo · « **Reply #193 on:** July 12, 2018, 06:29:55 PM »

Lesson learned - don’t use impact drill on tightening these oil pan bolts.

It’s replacement time!

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Don R · « **Reply #194 on:** July 14, 2018, 02:17:02 PM »

I use a 1/4" drive metric socket on an extension and a T handle for tightening almost everything 6mm.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #195 on:** July 14, 2018, 03:33:10 PM »

Yeah, you went gorilla on that one bolt.

minimo · « **Reply #196 on:** July 14, 2018, 06:08:21 PM »

Total rookie move on my part.
Haste makes waste, as they say.
Thanks for the note, Don R. I will def keep it old skool from here on out (situationally).
Meanwhile, I’ve taken heed of your suggestion, SOHC Cafe Fan, and ordered a seemingly decent replacement oil pan.

In other news, the bike passed inspection at the California Highway Patrol. I took it into AAA this morning to finalize the application for title/registration only to find out that the rookie CHP officer made a dumb clerical error making note of the engine number as the frame VIN and then omitting (crossing out as n/a) on the engine VIN field of the app. Frustrating! I’m proabaly going to have to take the bike back in for re-inspection. Ugh. The already long saga continues...

RAFster122s · « **Reply #197 on:** July 14, 2018, 09:16:53 PM »

Minimo, I hope they do not try to make you pay for the clerical error. Good luck getting it all sorted out. The hassles of gov't

The inspection goal is worthwhile to reduce theft, but sometimes it is derailed by errors.

minimo · « **Reply #198 on:** July 14, 2018, 09:34:17 PM »

Thanks, RAF.
CHP does not charge anything, but it is my time to have to peel away from work to visit the CHP office for inspection and lose at least a couple of hours while they do their “research” after inspection. It sucks to have to go through this process again and bend to the officer’s schedule. So this will probably delay the process another month. I don’t know why he crossed out the engine VIN field when he made clear visual inspection of that number, even calling out the “E” letter in the sequence. Why would the DMV form have separate fields for frame and engine VIN respectively? Ugh! I get frustrated just thinking about this.

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minimo · « **Reply #199 on:** July 17, 2018, 05:58:16 PM »

So an unusual turn of events.
I called CHP and left a message with the officer explaining that the DMV clerk pointed out some issues with his entries and lack there of. I get a call back from the officer with an apology and news that he has already gone and prepared corrected versions of the inspection report all without having to reinspect the bike! Woo-hoo! Tear down of the engine shall commence :-)

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Author Topic: IDK Numero Dos - 1975 Honda CB400F (Read 67316 times)