Topic: Fuel observations

[Duanob]

Our marinas around here have non ethanol gas. Funny thing is they will only sell for marine purposes probably due to regulations. I take my 6 gallon gas container down that has HONDA painted on it and they don't even question me.

As far as ethanol E15 gas, some corn state congress person is smiling over that one. More money for their constituents, more money for their campaign funds.There is no valid research that states E15 ethanol gas burns any cleaner than E10 regular gas that a modern electronic fuel injected car system can't over come. As far as carbed vehicles go, they don't even come into the equation as far as decisions made because there are so few left. It's just pure politics and greed.

[Dunk]

Owner of a performance bike shop near me was the one who told me about the change with Shell. He also told me a trick some guys do: install a tap in a jerry can about 20% of the way from the bottom, let the gas sit for 2-3 weeks until it separates, use the tap to get at the good gas from the top 80%, and then dispose the contents of the bottom 20% of the container. (I haven't tried this myself and don't know enough about the science of separation of ethanol to verify whether the top 80% would be "good" gas after this process.)

Careful trying this, it will significantly reduce the octane of the fuel. After the tree huggers banned tetra-ethyl lead MTBE was used instead as an octane booster. The tree huggers set their sights on MTBE as the next big evil and banned that. I believe we have ethanol gas at the pumps on the road because there is no other viable option for a cheap and effective octane booster, since all of those have been banned. Look at the octane of E-85, I believe it's around 110. You can build a pretty wicked high compression engine to run on that stuff, but lots of extra considerations to run that fuel. In any event, remove the ethanol from pump gas and it will take a significant octane drop. Beware hammering your bearings and cracking your rings.

[Deltarider]

After the tree huggers banned tetra-ethyl lead

That's about the dummest remark I've read in a long time. Maybe you should do a little research and find out about the harm tetra-ethyl lead has caused over the generations. There's absolutely nobody in in the scientific world that doesn't agree the substance should have been banned much and much earlier. Lobbyists have prevented this a long time. You can discuss on quality of gas all right but the removal of lead has nothing to do with tree huggers, I can assure you that. If I lived overthere I'd be much more concerned about the sugar that the sugar barons (another succesfull lobby) are free to put in almost everything edible and if you doubt my words, just have a look around you at the average people in the streets if they can manage to walk at all.

[calj737]

...and if you doubt my words, just have a look around you at the average people in the streets if they can manage to walk at all.

Actually, that man has the perfect BMI (that's Body Mass Index for you, Delta) for a man of his age. Except, his BMI perfect for someone 8'5" in height. So, he is NOT fat, he is SHORT. And here in America, we don't ridicule people over their height. We like short People. So take your emaciated waif of an avatar and go F-off. I've seen pets rescued by SPCA for looking like her.

[Deltarider]

I'll be honest. Just finished reading for the second time Bill Bryson's Notes from a Big Country. The book is a collection of columns he wrote for The Times (UK) about daily life phenomenons in the US. Halfway his book you'll find his column Why nobody walks. Read it, it's hilarious, like the rest of the book. Can't take of my avatar for sentimental reasons. When we were students, I had a friend who was a lookalike. Not now anymore... Don't get me wrong, she's still a friend...

[70CB750]

Why is it hilarious?  Because it justifies your minderwertigkeitskomplex? 

I'll be honest. Just finished reading for the second time Bill Bryson's Notes from a Big Country. The book is a collection of columns he wrote for The Times (UK) about daily life phenomenons in the US. Halfway his book you'll find his column Why nobody walks. Read it, it's hilarious, like the rest of the book. Can't take of my avatar for sentimental reasons. When we were students, I had a friend who was a lookalike. Not now anymore... Don't get me wrong, she's still a friend...

[Deltarider]

Why is it hilarious?  Because it justifies your minderwertigkeitskomplex?

I guess it takes one to know one. Und... bist du 'happy'?
 BTW, I correct the word hilarious. It should be humorous. Have you read Bryson's books? Do a search. Great stuff. Also his books about UK and Europe. You know what a book is, don't you?
'minderwertigkeitskomplex' is German (not Dutch) for 'inferiority complex'.

[calj737]

You know what a book is, don't you?

I saw one of those once. But I was driving too fast to read the title of it as it was heaped onto a fire pile as combustible material. They make great kindling is all I know of them.

[70CB750]

The Dutch spent about thousand years destrying eco systems but nowadays they are very protective of the environment   

Owner of a performance bike shop near me was the one who told me about the change with Shell. He also told me a trick some guys do: install a tap in a jerry can about 20% of the way from the bottom, let the gas sit for 2-3 weeks until it separates, use the tap to get at the good gas from the top 80%, and then dispose the contents of the bottom 20% of the container. (I haven't tried this myself and don't know enough about the science of separation of ethanol to verify whether the top 80% would be "good" gas after this process.)

Careful trying this, it will significantly reduce the octane of the fuel. After the tree huggers banned tetra-ethyl lead MTBE was used instead as an octane booster. The tree huggers set their sights on MTBE as the next big evil and banned that. I believe we have ethanol gas at the pumps on the road because there is no other viable option for a cheap and effective octane booster, since all of those have been banned. Look at the octane of E-85, I believe it's around 110. You can build a pretty wicked high compression engine to run on that stuff, but lots of extra considerations to run that fuel. In any event, remove the ethanol from pump gas and it will take a significant octane drop. Beware hammering your bearings and cracking your rings.

[Deltarider]

The Dutch ... nowadays they are very protective of the environment   

Yep, we have to, like the inhabitants of hundreds of islands around the world whose drinkwater wells are threathened by the rising sea. Guess who leave the biggest footprint now by far? Yes, it's them across the pond with that ingrown inferiority complex that makes them buy pompous oversized toys (often to  compensate the pain of emigration) all at cost of the rest of the planet. Thank goodness the Chinese (begin to) show some intelligence. Imagine they would live like you lot. Would you really admire their way of life? 

[70CB750]

The Dutch ... nowadays they are very protective of the environment   

Yep, we have to, like the inhabitants of hundreds of islands around the world whose drinkwater wells are threathened by the rising sea.

Well you dug your own hole, pun intended 

But do not worry, there is no global warming, it is all bull#$%*.

[Deltarider]

FYI, when a Dutchman has reached the age of 80 he has emitted 800 tons of CO₂. That's a lot. The average American by then is accountable for 1.300 tons. That's over 60% more and still Dutch engineers don't mind to help 'poor' Americans out by doing 'a helluvajob' around New Orléans after Katrina and around New York after Sandy, be it that the latter state doesn't allow foreign companies to execute it so our technology had to be smuggled in in some sneaky secret way, to prevent some pompous ass (who himself has stolen everything from everybody) will yell: "They're stealing our jobs... "
But... didn't you have some waterfun recently near you? What's your technology? Point your gun at it?

[70CB750]

Yes, small nations of Europe will always hate Americans for the 1945 liberation.

[Deltarider]

The Americans that liberated Europe were different Americans and if I may say very, very different from you. Moreover there are no Americans of your age that can boast they did the right thing back then. And I find your attempt to create common ground with others quite pathetic and it's not the first time you rally behind a flag that you share no history with. Typical that you can only think in one category of Americans. Americans are there in all kinds, like Dutch, Chinese. Haven't you found out by now? Oh, there once was a time that a specific group of Europeans had the same categorical view on people like you demonstrate here. Actually there's a word for it, ahhh... it's on the tip of my tongue.
Now, wasn't the subject of this thread fuel. I'm afraid it has watered down somewhat. My apologies.

[70CB750]

As I was saying, LOL!

[Deltarider]

As I was saying, LOL!

'Frankly my dear, I dont give a damn.'

[Duke McDukiedook]

Just noticed that the recently renovated QTs around here (KC area) sell non-corn unleaded 87.
The VFR thanked me after a fill up. 

[DickL]

To quote someone else...

WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT.

We are not supposed to be writing about politics.

Dickl

[Deltarider]

We are not supposed to be writing about politics.

But nobody did.

[grcamna2]

Just noticed that the recently renovated QTs around here (KC area) sell non-corn unleaded 87.
The VFR thanked me after a fill up. 

Did your 86' VFR(I had one and loved it) run  better on 87 oct. E-Free fuel compared to premium Ethanol fuel ?
What price are they charging for that 87 there where you live ?

[Duke McDukiedook]

I think it is going for $2.40/gallon on the last fill up.
Never ran higher grade than 87 but the real gas runs better than the cornahol.

[70CB750]

I just filled up in Warrenton, VA for $2.799 a gallon.

But i am happy, much closer to home than Front Royal.