Author Topic: clip on length (Read 2587 times)

rook550 · « **on:** November 26, 2006, 01:39:00 PM »

Will stock lever controls work on clip on bars? if not what is the solution for the brake resevior/lever?

kghost · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2006, 03:48:38 PM »

The master Cylinder is the problem child.

Some folks have gone to aftermarket master cylinders to solve this problem.

On my latest project I flipped the cap where it bolts to the bars and TIG welded it to the master cylinder.
Then Bored it back out and cleaned it up with a file and a die grinder.

Gave me the 1/8 in. I needed to clear the forks.

Pic's in my gallery under frankenbike.

KB02 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2006, 05:35:20 AM »

It depends on the clip ons that you get, too. Some will allow for the stock MC to fit. The ones that I got did not. I had to fab up some 2" extentions for the bars to get everything to fit, and even then I my throttle was hanging out about an inch over the bar end. I replaced it with an aftermarket MC and can no do away with the exyentions all together if I wanted to.

Chris Liston · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:02:48 AM »

Best idea is to get a new style master cyl and use that. You'll have plenty of room on the clip-ons with that setup. I have clip-ons with the newer style master and have tons of room and no need for spacers, cutting or modding anything.

hymodyne · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:16:55 AM »

examples of more modern MC that will be compatible with the rest of the front disc set up?

or do you need to replace everything down to the caliper?

hym

Chris Liston · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:20:25 AM »

Quote from: hymodyne on November 27, 2006, 06:16:55 AM

examples of more modern MC that will be compatible with the rest of the front disc set up?

or do you need to replace everything down to the caliper?

hym

I used a master from a 93' Ninja 750. Just the master. Everything else can stay; stock lines,etc... I upgraded to stainless lines before I switched out the master. Most Jap masters use the same 10x1.25 banjo's so all stock fittings can work.

hymodyne · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:32:39 AM »

sorry, chris, another question:

does this mean levers and mounts have to be changed as well? do you have a pic?

hym

kuyarico · « **Reply #7 on:** November 27, 2006, 06:42:26 AM »

Quote from: hymodyne on November 27, 2006, 06:32:39 AM

sorry, chris, another question:

does this mean levers and mounts have to be changed as well? do you have a pic?

hym

I believe the answer is yes. If you look at this thread: http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=15534.0 Sparty posted a pic of his setup. He's using Clubmans, but the solution should be the same.

Chris Liston · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2006, 07:24:50 AM »

I have some pics in my gallery. Check my signature..

andy750 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2006, 07:30:16 AM »

I have Tommesseli (sp?) cafe bars and no issues with stock m/c although angle is a little steep -the front brake works ok. See pics in my gallery (see signature at bottom) more a better idea of angle.

cheers
Andy

kghost · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2006, 07:31:34 AM »

This is the cut and weld method.

ProTeal55 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2006, 08:20:10 AM »

Quote from: Chris Liston on November 27, 2006, 06:02:48 AM

Best idea is to get a new style master cyl and use that. You'll have plenty of room on the clip-ons with that setup. I have clip-ons with the newer style master and have tons of room and no need for spacers, cutting or modding anything.

I agree 150%.
Switching to a new style/modern master is a great way to solve this issue, as well as
get some better braking outta your bike.
(My 750 setup below)

I plan to do the same setup (clip-on bars-new master-etc) on the 450 project , but with this
bike I am gonna cut down the clip-on's as short as possible to keep the low/lean/tight look the 450
is going after...

kuyarico · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2006, 09:23:53 AM »

Quote from: ProTeal55 on November 27, 2006, 08:20:10 AM

Quote from: Chris Liston on November 27, 2006, 06:02:48 AM
Best idea is to get a new style master cyl and use that. You'll have plenty of room on the clip-ons with that setup. I have clip-ons with the newer style master and have tons of room and no need for spacers, cutting or modding anything.
I agree 150%.
Switching to a new style/modern master is a great way to solve this issue, as well as
get some better braking outta your bike.
(My 750 setup below)

I plan to do the same setup (clip-on bars-new master-etc) on the 450 project , but with this
bike I am gonna cut down the clip-on's as short as possible to keep the low/lean/tight look the 450
is going after...

PT, what MC and lever are you using? I found this one on Dennis Kirk: http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=&store=Main&catId=&productId=p192870&leafCatId=&mmyId=

but $150 is bit steep. I may just bite the bullet. The thought of improved braking is a compelling enough reason to upgrade.

ProTeal55 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2006, 10:05:44 AM »

Quote from: kuyarico on November 27, 2006, 09:23:53 AM

PT, what MC and lever are you using? I found this one on Dennis Kirk: http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=&store=Main&catId=&productId=p192870&leafCatId=&mmyId=
but $150 is bit steep. I may just bite the bullet. The thought of improved braking is a compelling enough reason to upgrade.

I got the master from a place called Speedwerks or something online for about $120.00. The lever is offa buel I had in my toolbox..

jalfonso · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2006, 10:26:59 AM »

ProTeal,

I like the headlight! Where did you buy it? I assume, hopefully not incorrectly, that it will work on my 550!

Thanks!

kghost · « **Reply #15 on:** November 27, 2006, 11:11:01 AM »

Just my opinion but I think the new master cylinders look like crap on a vintage bike.

ProTeal55 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 27, 2006, 11:26:59 AM »

Quote from: kghost on November 27, 2006, 11:11:01 AM

Just my opinion but I think the new master cylinders look like crap on a vintage bike.

I agree , but the added braking benefits are nice (& I have learned to live with) how it looks

I am gonna go with with a flat top(non remote reservoir) master for the 450 project..

Quote from: jalfonso on November 27, 2006, 10:26:59 AM

ProTeal,
I like the headlight! Where did you buy it? I assume, hopefully not incorrectly, that it will work on my 550!

The headlight is from a company called ADJURE, and available from the Drag Specialties catalog.
They have tons of different styles, some with tri-bars, some with blue dots, etc...
Install was as simple as removing the stock sealed beam, and putting this one in it's place.
Looks cool/modern, and the H4 bulb throws off ALLOT more light...

Chris Liston · « **Reply #17 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:16:57 PM »

Although modern masters with remote resevoirs don't look period right you can rest assured all that will be out the window once the brakes are applied. Much more solid feel and if needed can be repaired much cheaper and easily. I'll never go back to the stocker.

jalfonso · « **Reply #18 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:25:37 PM »

Thanks PT!

kghost · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:53:44 PM »

I'm going to respectfully disagree that a modern master cylinder does any better job that a vintage cylinder.

Its a very basic hydraulic system. Based on pressure. A bigger piston in the master cylinder may provide better feel and more boost.

However a properly maintained stock honda system provides more than enough to lock the front wheel.

Sure a modern master cylinder will help out with old lines and small piston size. Just ya don't need one if everything else is excellent.

rook550 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:59:26 PM »

What about getting a longer( say 12") bar fabed to fit in the clip? that may be cheaper than controls if it doesn't look gay. My deal is I want my bike lower by 2" and I don't have access to stuff to make the dampener work like on Ohio Gregs', I don't think cutting the springs are safe and it seems that Proteal has the best set up Forks thru the trees w/clip-ons on top), I just don't want to have to change a bunch of controls & stuff. thanks for all the ideas

kghost · « **Reply #21 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:02:22 PM »

Its like a breakfast of orange juice, bacon, and eggs.

Chicken and the tree contributed...but the pig was committed.

rook550 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:10:47 PM »

Quote from: kghost on November 27, 2006, 02:02:22 PM

Its like a breakfast of orange juice, bacon, and eggs.

Chicken and the tree contributed...but the pig was committed.

uhmm...ok

ProTeal55 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 27, 2006, 03:33:40 PM »

The only reason I put my clip-on bars on TOP of the triple-tree rather than below is for comfort.
I would much rather put them under (it looks cleaner), but my back wont have it.
I am gonna go the same route with the CB450 project, as for "aggressive" as my CB750 looks, I can go hours on that thing with no aches or pains..

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