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Re: TRIBSA
« Reply #175 on: December 30, 2016, 12:50:02 PM »
I use to sell Torco Motorcycle Gear lube a few yrs. back in 70/80wt. and even though it said it was hypoid gear fluid for use in motorcycle primary cases and trans. cases it felt more equivalent to about 30 wt. in a hypoid fluid.,quite light for hypoid.I wonder how that would work in the British transmission units for Triumph/BSA ?
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« Reply #176 on: December 30, 2016, 01:14:00 PM »
My 2002 Royal Enfield Bullet called for a 50/50 mix of oil and grease in the gearbox. The reason was that the primary shaft bearing wasn't sealed and so if you used only oil it would leak out the bearing into the shifter mechanism cover and then the garage floor. I did the common sealed bearing conversion on mine (I think the bearing cost like $3) and started using synthetic 20/50. It was easily the best mechanical upgrade I made to my bike.
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« Reply #177 on: December 31, 2016, 01:18:40 AM »
I spent about $100 earlier this year on a cheap standup hydraulic press from Harbor Freight when I had to replace a failed wheel bearing on my now sold Saab for the 4th time. I got tired of paying $75 to a local auto parts store to do it and pounding the hub out of the strut assembly to get to the bearing (which I did the first time) took a couple hours with a big ass hammer and vice. With the press, it took less than 15 minutes to press out the hub and bearing and the install the new bearing and reinstall the hub. And it was a one man job. Well worth the cost of the tool.

Alas, it's not money that prevents me from acquiring workshop equipment which would undoubtedly make my life easier, it's space, I literally have no-where to put anything else, unless I sell a bike, which isn't going to happen  ;D. This is where the magic happens...







Shocked myself looking at those pictures  :o. Might have to have a bit of a tidy-up later  :).

Just to put the drainplug saga to bed, here's what I came up with. I opted for a button-head screw as it gives a better (larger) sealing area than a normal cap-head. The washer is a nitrile bonded seal, self-centering. I've banged on about these before, but I'll repeat it they're bloody brilliant and with stuff like this around today there's really no point in taking a chance on fibre washers for oil and fuel applications....



Of course it didn't all go to plan, nothing ever does and when I screwed it in it was clear it wasn't going to seal properly due to the PO grinding a radius around the drain hole so the head of the screw wouldn't lay flat. I made up a grub screw to plug the hole while I filed the area flat, after that the plug went in with a drop of Loctite for good measure...




Before the gearbox went back in the frame, I removed the sidestand to give it a bit of a freshen-up. Given that the left side of the bike has been caked in engine oil, I have no idea how this came to be rusty...



And last night was spent swearing and juggling with all the one-off home-made spacers and washers, utilising both hands, a knee and various pieces of wood to line everything up and get the bugger back in the frame....



Yippee! I've since trimmed off the gasket edges you see in the pic, looks loads better now. Nothing's tightened up yet, need a bit of wiggle room for aligning the engine. Here's how the old girl sits for now. Who knows, might have the engine in before the year is out yet  ;D...



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Re: TRIBSA
« Reply #178 on: December 31, 2016, 01:41:33 AM »
Looking good Martin!

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« Reply #179 on: December 31, 2016, 08:01:20 AM »
Good progress Martin,working in a small space in the Winter months is very difficult especially when you lose a small part..  ::) ask me how I know;I love when the weather gets warm enough to work outside  :).
You've had quite a Lot of hurdles to climb over on this build.I have a difficult time thinking about the PO grinding flat the drain plug area under the bottom of your trans. case  >:( According to Terry( ::) :D) they leak way too much as stock w/o allowing any more fluid to escape out of the trans.
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« Reply #180 on: December 31, 2016, 01:42:31 PM »
That looks great Martin, I'm glad the new sump plug worked out, it looks much more professional than the alternative. I'm surprised that you're surprised about rust though, surely your geographical location is a key indicator? Happy New Year mate! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #181 on: January 01, 2017, 01:10:14 AM »
Thank-you for your kind words men, and a Happy New Year to you all! No further progress to report so far in 2017, but once the hangover clears (and I hopefully remember how I came to wake up with several cuts and bruises below my right knee  ::)) I plan to get back on it. Only fly in the ointment is the ominous-looking pile of paint that the missus brought home from her shopping trip yesterday, I think she's had enough of me putting off decorating the daughter's bedroom so for the sake of peace and harmony I may have to attack that first  ;D.
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« Reply #182 on: January 01, 2017, 03:42:02 AM »
Well done Martin, the problem with wives is as soon as you look like you're enjoying yourself, they think of something horrible for you to do, just to piss you off.

We had a torrential downpour on Thursday and the missus noticed that the water was running down the outside walls (Duh!) so she reminded me that I haven't cleaned out the gutters in a couple of years, so now it's my number 1 fcuking priority (as far as she's concerned) to risk life and limb and get up a fcuking ladder and spend all day scraping mud and leaves and dead birds out of the fcuking guttering when I could be playing with my toys.............. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #183 on: January 01, 2017, 07:19:17 AM »
Well done Martin, the problem with wives is as soon as you look like you're enjoying yourself, they think of something horrible for you to do, just to piss you off.

We had a torrential downpour on Thursday and the missus noticed that the water was running down the outside walls (Duh!) so she reminded me that I haven't cleaned out the gutters in a couple of years, so now it's my number 1 fcuking priority (as far as she's concerned) to risk life and limb and get up a fcuking ladder and spend all day scraping mud and leaves and dead birds out of the fcuking guttering when I could be playing with my toys.............. ;D

Your house foundation will thank you for it.  :)
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« Reply #184 on: January 03, 2017, 06:50:37 AM »
Well done Martin, the problem with wives is as soon as you look like you're enjoying yourself, they think of something horrible for you to do, just to piss you off.

Isnt that the truth?!  I spent a good portion of the day yesterday cleaning the garage, got tired of her bugging me about it!  Good thing is I "found" a nice 750 front end I forgot I had!
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« Reply #185 on: January 03, 2017, 02:27:21 PM »
Well done Martin, the problem with wives is as soon as you look like you're enjoying yourself, they think of something horrible for you to do, just to piss you off.

Isnt that the truth?!  I spent a good portion of the day yesterday cleaning the garage, got tired of her bugging me about it!  Good thing is I "found" a nice 750 front end I forgot I had!

Yeah that's a job I have to do before the weekend Steve, I've got a guy interested in buying one of my projects and I need to separate it from all the other projects, so he only see's what he's gonna get. I think there's 4 or 5 complete engine's on the floor and enough parts to build that many bikes, so it'll take awhile........... ;D
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« Reply #186 on: February 27, 2017, 01:25:42 PM »
Right then, where were we?

The last couple of months have been typical of the usual sh1t British winter when the thought of venturing out into a cold, damp garage and handling freezing parts and tools just doesn't appeal, so I've only made a little progress as and when I've been arsed or found the necessity to escape marital dis-harmony. Actually, when I think about it, I've got quite a lot done  ;D

Gave the side-stand (it's correct name - a 'prop' is something you raise a washing line with ::)) a coat of Hammerite and refitted it, before getting the engine back in the frame and fitting the newly-reconditioned magneto.







Got to give a shout-out for Priory Magnetos in Macclesfield UK, proprietor Andrew Gutmann gave a first-class service, he rang me after he stripped the mag down, gave me a rundown of the work required, quoted a price that didn't change when the work was completed, and turned the whole thing around in a week. He also holds massive stocks of BSA spares, and supplied all the gearbox parts and a few more bits besides.

Next up was to rebuild the top end. The head got a good clean, valve seats faced and valves lapped in, and new valve springs...



Rocker boxes stripped. The components were all in surprisingly good nick...



This is a pic of the underside of the rocker box, where the top of the pushrod tube sits. They both show wear like this, and as new rocker boxes are rarer than rocking horse poo I'm going to have to do my best to get them to seal. I've already added these areas to the list of possible (probable?  ;D) leak points...





Time to put the top end back on the bike. The manual says it's easier to fit the rocker boxes to the head before installing the whole assembly to the barrels. Unfortunately the gaskets supplied in the kit were a crap fit, so I had to make new ones. Supplied one on the left, home-made on the right. This pissed me off slightly as this gasket set wasn't exactly cheap, and was supposed to be 'quality' ::)...



With all four gaskets made and positioned, I fitted the boxes to the head...



...only to have to take the baastards off again, because of course the manual was refering to fitting a Triumph top end into a Triumph frame, not a BSA frame where there is less clearance.

Oh, and in the process I found that the new head gasket supplied in the 'quality' kit didn't fit either, so I ended up annealing the old one - pissed offedness levels beginning to rise... >:(

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« Reply #187 on: February 27, 2017, 02:56:41 PM »
Good update, Martin. Things never go as planned, eh? 
Your comment on "marital dis-harmony" made me laugh, you are not alone!
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« Reply #188 on: February 27, 2017, 03:07:33 PM »
Yeah, cold garage vs cold wife. Some choice.  ;D
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« Reply #189 on: February 27, 2017, 03:44:22 PM »
Yeah, cold garage vs cold wife. Some choice.  ;D

HA!  I think we'd have a better chance getting any "work" done in the cold garage!
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« Reply #190 on: February 27, 2017, 09:41:00 PM »
Well done Martin, and don't worry about your wife mate, it's a scientific fact that all women are mental, so switch on the heater in your garage, put the kettle on, switch the TV on, ignore her and enjoy your sanity. Your bike's looking good, is there supposed to be any sealant around the rocker box joint, where the top of the pushrod tube sits? Anyway, good job! Cheers, Terry. ;D 
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #191 on: February 27, 2017, 10:46:41 PM »
Oh I'm sure I'll find something to do the job, I've got a draw full of various tubes of goop that weren't around in the '50s so I should find something, but I'll have to be careful so as renegade blobs can't come adrift and block the oil passages in the tappet blocks... :)
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« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2017, 02:55:30 AM »
Yep, I've been using a Selley's product called "Tru Blu" that I bought years ago, it really seals well against petrol, oil, water etc, but the tube finally went hard so I chucked it out, only to discover that they don't make it any more! Fcuk! Spew! Cnuts! ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #193 on: February 28, 2017, 09:51:06 PM »
 Hopefully the grief part is over and the rest will cause you joy and fun. That's a cool bike.
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« Reply #194 on: February 28, 2017, 10:58:50 PM »
Hopefully the grief part is over and the rest will cause you joy and fun. That's a cool bike.

Let's hope so Don. Progress has been painfully slow over the past few weeks, but it's getting there now. Jobs for the weekend will be valve clearances, ignition timing, oil pump refurb and fitment. That'll leave carb, clutch/primary, oil tank and see if it goes boom da boom da boom... ;D
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« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2017, 11:05:16 PM »
BTW, I heard a guy on the TV say the other day that you should approach bike restoration in the same way as you would approach making love - that is, divide into zones and get through each one as quickly as possible.

If this had been love-making, I'd have rolled over and gone to sleep long ago. You just can't rush the important things in life... ;D
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« Reply #196 on: March 01, 2017, 04:35:35 AM »
BTW, I heard a guy on the TV say the other day that you should approach bike restoration in the same way as you would approach making love - that is, divide into zones and get through each one as quickly as possible.

If this had been love-making, I'd have rolled over and gone to sleep long ago. You just can't rush the important things in life... ;D

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« Reply #197 on: March 04, 2017, 03:19:13 AM »
Bringing this up to date.

I ordered some new manifold to carburettor studs as the carb had previously been held on by a couple of bolts, one a hex head and the other an Allen  ::). The first new stud I tried started to bind after a couple of turns into the manifold, so I checked the thread on the stud - 5/16 UNC - and ran a tap down one of the holes. The stud then went in, although a bit too easily for my liking so I checked the thread size in the hole I hadn't tapped - 8mm! It then dawned on me that in a previous life the manifold has received 8mm inserts obviously to repair the original stripped UNC threads. A further sanity check of the bolts that I was replacing confirmed them as 8mm. So I now had a manifold with one UNC hole and one metric hole - bugger!

Never mind, I found two 8mm bolts of a suitable length and made up new studs, one 5/16 UNC (by not closing the die fully I was able to get a good tight fit in the hole) and the other 8mm. The thread at the other end is cycle btw...



Next job was to check that the gaskets suppiled in the kit fitted, they didn't of course, so had to make up some more...



I don't have any pictures of the actual fitting of the rocker boxes onto the head, which required correct location of the pushrod tubes and ensuring - at least as best as I could - that they will be oil-tight. You may not be surprised to hear that the seals provided in the kit did not fit, in fact the top seals were actually different diameters, so I had to order new ones from a 'proper' supplier. TMS Nottingham you can take your sh1t attitude and your sh1t parts and shove them where the sun don't shine, you tossers.

Here's where I'm at now - nice to see it coming together...





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« Reply #198 on: March 04, 2017, 05:52:14 AM »
Just a guess here Martin, but you dont like TMS Nottingham?  HA!
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« Reply #199 on: March 11, 2017, 03:50:49 PM »
Had it all planned out today, was going to get up early, get in the garage and crack on with the TriBSA now that temps have risen to slightly more comfortable levels. What I hadn't factored in was the amount of beer I drank last night, what was supposedly going to be a quiet couple of drinks with the missus turned into a bit of a piss-fest, we ended up at the re-opening of a pub that's been shut for years, my lad and all his mates were in there too and for some unfathomable reason they all wanted to buy me a drink - well it would be rude to say no wouldn't it?  ;D

So, feeling like the life had been drained out of me I managed to drag myself in the garage this morning, but the willing and enthusiasm just wasn't there. I was determined to make some progress though, however minor, so I set about making another gasket.

Now for once I can't blame the cheapo-sh1t gasket set for this one. Triumph never fitted a timing cover gasket to these early engines, and actually recommended a smear of grease on both contact surfaces which is probably why most of the buggers leaked. This particular one had been fitted with a black sealant of some description which had all but dissolved, and the cover had come away easily. There were however some tell-tale signs that suggested that there had once been a time when the cover had not been so submissive for a previous owner....

On the cover...



And on the engine case...



Well I thought, a smear of grease is hardly going to give a reassuring seal where some neanderthal has used a screwdriver to pry off the cover, so my idea was to make a gasket, set it onto the engine case using threebond, and then apply grease to the outside face that the cover bolts to. I'm hoping this will be sufficient to keep the oil in. I'm using grease on one side as I may have to remove the cover again if I've stuffed up the ignition timing and need to get to the advance/retard unit.

As I've been banging on about having to make gaskets lately I thought I would make this post a bit edukashunal and show how it's done, at least how I do it anyway - apologies if I'm teaching grandma how to suck eggs, but hopefully it might be interesting and informative to some.

First, choose your material. There's plenty of proper gasket paper to be had on eBay very cheaply, so there's no excuse for using the back of a cereal box. For this application I've gone 'thin', using .25mm paper as I wasn't sure how critical the end float is for the intermediate gear and I wanted to keep things as close as possible. I may well have worried unnecessarily about this but I do get a bit OCD about these things.

Lay the cover on the paper to make sure it's big enough...



...then flip it over. Locate a fixing hole and tap a ball-bearing into it over the paper. This will 'cut' a hole in which you can place a bolt to provide an anchor point...



...with one anchor set, go to the opposite end and do the same again. With two bolts located the paper will stay put while you tackle the next bit...



...which is to continue around the cover 'cutting' the rest of the holes...



...once the holes are done, I use a fingernail along the inside edge of the cover to mark where the paper needs to be cut. You could just use the ball end of your hammer here, tapping around the profile and cutting the paper against the edge of the gasket face as you go. That's ok for steel components, but personally I wouldn't want to risk dulling the edges of alloy pieces so I mark them this way and use scissors after (admittedly worrying about dulling the edges is pretty academic in this case  ::))...





...with the middle cut out, the cover can be re-positioned on the paper and drawn around with a pencil before cutting out with the scissors again...



Ta Da!

That's all I could muster today. Afterwards I headed back indoors and fell asleep in front of the TV. Only the sound of my son chucking up for the best part of the day raised my spirits, I don't know, youngsters just don't seem to be able to hold their beer these days.

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