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Hi Guys!!! Need help...
« on: September 15, 2016, 07:46:21 AM »
I'm a new member but not a new reader of this forum. I'm looking to get a project bike. I already found 2 but I can't decide yet. One is a 74' CB550 is in good shape all complete and stock with some rust but running (only 5000 miles). The other a 75' CB500T, in good shape, rust, stock and not running, some problems with the stator and maybe electric starter (8000 miles). Could you help me make the final decision?

P.S: Is my first project bike.

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 12:12:34 PM »
Welcome !!!

Have you seen both bikes in the flesh ?? If you still have access to them some photos would help a lot ! Personally, I'd be tending to opt for a runner.

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 12:26:58 PM »
Thanks Kev, here are some photos
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 12:59:19 PM »
Spoilt for choice !

How are the four pipes on the 550 ? Any rust or bubbling in the chrome ? The exhaust system, if in good shape, could be a major point in it's favour. Have you test driven it ?

Please chime in 550 experts, after all I'm a VFour freak.

Kev

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 01:08:22 PM »
The top right pipe has a hole (pic attached), the other 3 are ok. No test drive yet.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 01:39:38 PM »
I'll have to admit, that I'm showing a prejudice in favour of the 550 already. Mainly as a runner and it's a four.

Try and get a run on it, and make sure it shifts through all the gears (up and down again). Does it fire on all cylinders (dab each header pipe with a finger, spit on the finger first  :)). Be careful because those tyres (tires ?) could be made of wood by now.
Personally I'd be checking the wheel rims for rust, I'd lift the fork gaiters (the corrugated rubber boots) to see if there was any evidence of chrome pitting or damage to the forks from being bent in a smash. If you take the bike off the stand and hold the front brake on, do the forks move up and down OK ? On the stand, do the wheels spin without major signs of runout ?

There are some signs that it has laid up a while, have you heard the motor start, and idle a while ? Did the oil pressure light go out ? Don't take anyone's word that it is a runner without seeing and hearing it. As it idles, pull in the clutch and release it, any major difference in engine noise ?

Are all the cylinder and cylinder head fins intact ? any gravel damage to the underside of the alternator casing (left side as you sit on the bike) or the points case opposite ?

Important : when the motor is running, any funny noises or oil leaks ??

Do the lights work ? Ask the owner to lift the saddle and remove the fuel tank. Does the wiring loom look intact without evidence of burning or shorting ? Ask to remove the headlight and look at the wiring inside the headlight bucket. Any evidence of shorting or bad wiring repairs ?

Take a look inside the fuel tank with a light  (not a match). any signs of rust ? Any fuel leaking from it on the outside or bubbles in the paintwork that might indicate corrosion about to burst out. Does the fuel tap (petcock) function correctly ?

With the fuel tank off, check the top rail of the frame. Any sign of buckling ?

With the 500T as a non runner, I'd not offer much on it, it's probably too much of an unknown.

On the 550, I'd ask the owner to keep the carrier and take some money off the asking price in exchange.  :)


Best of luck.

Kev

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 03:24:03 PM »
 Thanks for the good tips. VĂ­deo attached.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 03:54:48 PM »
Definitely the 550 since it's a runner. the hole can be patched. It's idling super high - make sure all four cylinders are firing.  It'll idle on 3, even 2, but the fact that he has the idle set that high might be because of some other issues.  IIRC that's not a 74 tank, I don't believe it came in that colour-if that's the original paint.  The side covers tell me it was a freedom metallic green.

The price is a bit high since you're going to need to do some work on it, at the very least tires, but it does run.  I dunno - whatever you're comfortable with, but if it were me I'd be looking at the runner.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 04:05:21 PM »
Thanks Gene. Yes, the tank was replaced because the original was all rusty after 20 years stored with the gas remaining inside. That's the story I was told. The carburetors were cleaned 9 months ago and since then the bike was not in use.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 04:10:50 PM »
What's the story on how long this person has had it?  or are they just flipping it? 
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2016, 04:15:29 PM »
It is supposed to be the original owner, he has other bikes and because of that, he want to sell this one.

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2016, 04:27:09 PM »
And I take that back about the super high idle - it's only after he revs it does it hang up at 2K - at least that what it looks like.  Hard to tell, but I have a suspicion it's only firing on 3.

There's some issues with it at first glance, but it comes down to your comfort level.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 04:33:42 AM »
Buy the 550. A non-running 500T for $1350 is way high!!! Perhaps $135.00 is a better value for it.
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Re: Hi Guys!!! Need help...
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2016, 02:04:14 PM »
550! Keep the rack too. They are handy and come on/off with ease. Tank is a 76 only color that year. The left pipes usually go bad first. Might be able to find a good used right one. What part of the country are you in?
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So, the strategy is to lie to people you are asking for help?

I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

Good luck!
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2016, 02:57:08 PM »
Thank you! I'm in the sunshine state, Florida!

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2016, 05:43:47 PM »
Im 2 hours north of JAX. I probably have the pipe you need. Shipping is a pain.
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I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

Good luck!
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 08:02:36 AM »
Thanks man, first I need to get the bike but good to know.

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Re: Hi Guys!!! Need help...
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2016, 08:14:38 AM »
i got a 500 t..its a heavy shaky beast..go for the 550...
..normaly i say go for the nicest and best running bike...but in this story..the four is smooth and niceer..
i kan not speak english/but trying!!
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 08:16:13 AM »
they often brake the start drive of the magenetic rotor..its a veak point
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2016, 02:04:09 PM »
The only time I drove a CB500T was the day that Pope Paul VI died.

How in the name of all that is precious can I remember that ?

Anyways, I thought it was a thoroughly rubbish bike. I suppose the 450 variant must have been more amazing.

Kev

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2016, 02:09:16 PM »
Welcome.. get the Cb550.......
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 09:15:43 AM »
Well?  Did you buy it yet?
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2016, 12:32:48 PM »
not yet, waiting for the weekend!!!

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2016, 01:13:59 PM »
Finally!!

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM »
Congrats.  How's it run?
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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2016, 04:30:16 AM »
Excellent news ! Well done.

Kev

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2016, 09:50:21 AM »
Nice.  Now, to work.
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2016, 07:27:03 AM »
Hey bender01, do you still have the pipes?
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2016, 01:51:37 PM »
Nice buy!

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2016, 05:16:20 PM »
Hey bender01, do you still have the pipes?
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 Im sure we all want to know what your plans are for this 550K!???
 Restore to stock? Since its real close.??
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I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2016, 05:27:27 PM »
My plan is to keep her original as possible. I'm working on restoring the front brakes now and already order new tires, the originals are a little to old...

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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2016, 01:12:59 PM »
My plan is to keep her original as possible. I'm working on restoring the front brakes now and already order new tires, the originals are a little to old...

Restoration thread please !!!

Kev