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1966 S90 - FRONT END SWAP SUGGESTIONS * PLAN B
« on: September 19, 2016, 12:51:47 pm »
So I got me an S90 and I love it...

I had been planning to restore it but really I just drove it all around...I found a NOS Buco rack on ebay and while I was installing it...sheared the threads off the top shock mount...is it a threaded stud...should I try to twist it out of just have it welded? Any tips/thoughts welcome....and yes I screamed and was so pissed off at myself

After calming down I am taking this as a sign that I have to totally restore it....




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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 12:59:48 pm »
Not sure if that's a stud or not, but if it's not, I would find the appropriate threaded bolt, cut the head off, and weld the shank on. Grind and retap as necessary.

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 07:23:58 pm »
I would make a bushing that is part tap drill size, and the rest, a slip fit over the smooth part.
Then drill it out and tap...then insert stud or setscrew..   Back to stock..
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 07:48:04 pm »
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 07:11:40 pm »
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 06:20:48 pm »
You'll need to attach/weld another piece onto that top shock mount,maybe a hardened bolt cut off the threaded portion and make it longer so it will be the same on both sides and make mounting your rack easier.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 12:07:30 am »
Scott, join the yahoo S90 group, tons of very experienced owners there who could advise... if I remember tomorrow I will pose the question to the group for you...
if you are gonna go fast you better plan on upgrading the brakes.  The DrATV cam is a good upgrade for the stock motor.  If you want to sell things from your bike the yahoo group does this without the hassle of feebay.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 01:17:56 pm »
If you dril, and tap with the guide bushing, you can run any length of stud.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 03:16:41 pm »
My friend is going to fix it right up for me...ordering and figuring out to mod the 3-bolt frame to a 2 bolt engine is the next step

thanks RAF122S, I did join the Yahoo S90 group...it's very confusing to navigate that place...but I believe I found some usful info there, liek wiring diagrams for switching from 6V to 12V

I did not find any actual 3-bolt to 2-bolt tutorials or detailed info...but I know it has been done
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 01:01:43 am »
Sometimes it is accomplished with a bracket that ties into the three bolt locations to orient the motor to give the oill pan the correct orientation respective to the ground.  The Yahoo Honda Clone group ( I think it is Honda clone group) would be a treasure trove of info you seek.  Plus lots have experience with Tbolt or other motors and accessories so you could get a lot more input on products that have been out there.

The S90s are gorgeous bikes and can make a really cool cafe racer without chopping up the frame or other irreversible changes.  The dohc replica racer Honda had of the 50cc race bike of old that came out several years back was a sweet motor.  It was raced by many and somehow several of them managed to be titled and street legalized with turn signals and the like.  Their racing was a blast but it was not high speed and it required a lot of talentbin energy retension and maintaining good control and choosing good lines around the track.   Bikes like the S90 can be fun when driven hard towards their limits, especially when doing so in a safe manner on the streets/country roads with another rider on another bike of similar preparation.  Not being done in a manner that isn't safe or reckless while maintaining situational awareness.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 01:19:32 am »
Yeah, there is a regulator design that works and is easy to build...but I think it is Scott in the Dayton Ohio area that has ran his bike on 12v for years and has a different approach to the activity while using the stock motor.  The electrical charging system and design on the S90 was like many other bikes of the period where the battery was an intrigle part of the charging system serving as a large component of a regulator or sink for the bike's voltage.   Scott Kirn and Bill Belleau and many others on the list are quite knowledgeable and helpful.  Jon Pardue when asked directly can provide wiring advice and even schematic info, he just asks you not share those items he provides you because of people ripping off his designs as their own or similar.   Jon is very sharp on the electrical side of many of the smaller Honda bikes...don't think he messes with many of the bigger bikes but, I may not be aware of it.  He and his brother have a business called Pardue Brothers if I recall correctly and if I remember he is located in Florida.  They have or had a website several years ago I had explored it but imagine they still have a web presence.

Frank is quite resourceful and I am definitely in the 1+ on his recommendations on the repair.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 03:55:43 am »
i had grindet the top flat..and drilled a 5 mm hole tapped it to 6 mm threds..and just put a disc on the end..and..put a bolt on/in ..its better to use a small chrev..so the strengh of the shaft is as strong, as it can
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 10:24:22 am »
Just a question for the collective wisdom of the group.  In an application like this, a hardened bolt would be tougher (stay away from stainless steel, not as strong) but, is this application not a good spot for a grade 8 or grade 10.10 (metric) because swith that hardening you also will see it be more brittle?  It is a suspension part after all and sheering in failure is often going to really ruin your day in a major way if it occurs at any speed.  Much less when at high speed and you hit a pothole you didn't see or have to swerve to avoid something and in doing so have to hit an immoveable object.  ( Of course if you do hit something  big enough to do a lot of damage to the rear then you probably have also hit it with you front wheel and being a spoked wheel it may not be anything ressembling round any longer and you have far more problems quickly happening than worrying about a broken stud/bolt....  sorry for the run-on sentence...)

I think about the wierdest things sometimes, too much work in risk analysis and risk contingency plans/ stuff over the years in my work.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 10:36:27 am »
Stress is in the bigger unthreaded portion, the nut and washer just keep it in place.
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2016, 03:29:48 pm »
Here it is...It's really fun. Before breaking off the shock threads I drove it a lot. The girl did too.

I was originally going to just rebuild the engine (it looks much nicer in pictures than it actually is...but it is still fairly nice)...but the tranny is pretty sloppy and I figure the Daytona will make to WAY more fun and actually more safe as it is scary-slow off the line

I hate to "mess up" a survivor..but it is going to be ridden and well loved...ordering the engine soon (need to get paid)






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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 10:17:02 am »


I have been way too busy to do anything but work and commute...took the bike to a welder on Saturday he said he'd need just the sub-frame to fit in his mill to do it properly. So in the meantime...I wired that top mount on...pretty sure it is staying on with no issue for now...will fix properly once I take it apart for paint and the new motor...whenever that will be. The girl took it out for over a hour and loves it...I got is idling really nicely
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 11:42:15 pm »
So, with all this extra power on tap, how are you going to stop faster or stronger than before?
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2017, 03:03:54 am »
like small bikes.
.my cd 50 can run abaut 70 kmt..fine for a 50cc engine..only problem ..my kids is running  it all time..so i never have a chance for a nice ride

you have to build a kompler new elektric inn..12 volt cdi ignision..and voltage regulator..so get a komplet viring vith the engine..and use that on the bike..

i have done the 50/125 svap more times..not shure the 90 is total the same..the frame/ engine mounts is different..but as long you get the exact kopy engine all is fine
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2017, 10:31:49 am »
Yeah...I have found out that the S90 frame is different (3 bolt vs 2 bolt) but I have been able to find (fairly bad photos) of people that say they have fit Lifan's into them...So I believe it is possible and I am lucky enough to have a very skilled fabricator friend who is game to help. I still need to do some research on the wiring...will I have to completely rewire it or once the new engine is in, only a 12V battery and new regulator be required (lights also I suppose)? Again...much research to do...and yes, stopping is an issue already....I will find a front disc set-up from something and make it work....should be interesting
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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2017, 10:49:45 am »
Most make a hangar that is attaching the 3 bolt and nestles the motor up as tightly to the frame as possible usually one bolt from stock mount may be used, but not always.  Taking care to keep the motor at the correct angle for the oiling system to work properly.

The Sym Symba had a pretty good braking system for its Cub clone...fwiw.

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Re: 1966 S90 - Sheared off the shock threads
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2017, 11:10:21 am »
try to seargh for a 90 variant..think lifan builds sopmthing vho fit direkt..mine is a cd 50 and it fit direkt all 2 bolt engines
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2017, 11:23:44 am »
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2017, 11:44:42 am »

He is BSing you or just doesn't know.
Make a guide bushing, hokd it with vise grips, drill into stud, tap it..done
The bushing should cost around 200bux to make. Mount frame on mill...more that that ..
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2017, 11:47:55 am »
745 do you mean 20bucks? $200 seems like a lot...and yes, I see what you're saying....also I might have stripped one of your beautiful clamps....need to buy a tap for that too...

Raf122s thanks Sym parts are a good call....I'll get searching

and here's some picture of a guy that modded his frame...

http://planetminis.com/forums/z50-ct70-jdm-monkeybikes/167384-cl90-s90-restomod.html
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2017, 12:31:14 pm »
Yeah...I have found out that the S90 frame is different (3 bolt vs 2 bolt) but I have been able to find (fairly bad photos) of people that say they have fit Lifan's into them...So I believe it is possible and I am lucky enough to have a very skilled fabricator friend who is game to help. I still need to do some research on the wiring...will I have to completely rewire it or once the new engine is in, only a 12V battery and new regulator be required (lights also I suppose)? Again...much research to do...and yes, stopping is an issue already....I will find a front disc set-up from something and make it work....should be interesting

Would be nice if you found a CB125S2 mechanical disc front end to bolt up to your S90.I sold one last yr.
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