Topic: Wearing of gloves to become compulsory in France

[vfourfreak]

Kev didn't you say you had 3 years to go before retirement if that's true you can do that on your head, then who gives a #$%* what laws they have, move to Monaco and open Kev's Cut rate Bikini Shop "personal fittings our speciality" and motorcycle tours of the harbor You should get a superior type of customer there with it's proximity to Italy and money in the background.
Bill the demon

I'd need to train as a diesel fitter Bill. you know, try fitting various sized tops (starting with the smallest of course) untill bingo, diesel fitter. Its a long and exacting process. Last time I was there I marvelled at students out walking up to 6 dogs at a time. Rich Monagasque bs'tards couldnt be bothered walking their own pooches, they pay for that to be done. There is money a plenty there to be sure.

Kev

[simon#42]

PLus Bill, Simon & I will work for you.....cheap.

very cheap !

[Dunk]

Oppressive totalitarianism is the new normal, the US is not far behind but at least there are some states you can move to that are less oppressive. Either way you are the property of the government, they don't want you becoming injured and costing them money (commie healthcare) or losing the revenue stream they steal from you (taxes). If you decline to submit and obey though, the end game is they will cage or kill you.

[simon#42]

Oppressive totalitarianism is the new normal, the US is not far behind but at least there are some states you can move to that are less oppressive. Either way you are the property of the government, they don't want you becoming injured and costing them money (commie healthcare) or losing the revenue stream they steal from you (taxes). If you decline to submit and obey though, the end game is they will cage or kill you.

have a broken back at the moment and am loving our 'commie healthcare ' thanks

[demon78]

Kev of course I forgot  it is Monaco so instead of cut rate Bikini's, that should read Custom Bikini's.
Bill the demon.

[demon78]

Simon it's all about perspective and I love my commie medicine with out it I would be dead several times over.
Bill the demon.

[vfourfreak]

Oppressive totalitarianism is the new normal, the US is not far behind but at least there are some states you can move to that are less oppressive. Either way you are the property of the government, they don't want you becoming injured and costing them money (commie healthcare) or losing the revenue stream they steal from you (taxes). If you decline to submit and obey though, the end game is they will cage or kill you.

have a broken back at the moment and am loving our 'commie healthcare ' thanks

I was a guest of the NHS after a little shunt in Milton Keynes. (Does anything nice ever happen in Milton Keynes ?). Anyway I had the best of care, lots of happy meds for the weekend and the bill was £0.

That system rocks.

Kev

[Gene]

I was a guest of the NHS after a little shunt in Milton Keynes. (Does anything nice ever happen in Milton Keynes ?). Anyway I had the best of care, lots of happy meds for the weekend and the bill was £0.

That system rocks.

Kev

They make Marshall Amps there.  So that's ok. And that old-a$$ pub.

[vfourfreak]

I was a guest of the NHS after a little shunt in Milton Keynes. (Does anything nice ever happen in Milton Keynes ?). Anyway I had the best of care, lots of happy meds for the weekend and the bill was £0.

That system rocks.

Kev

They make Marshall Amps there.  So that's ok. And that old-a$$ pub.

So they do . .  One redeeming feature at least.

[Terry in Australia]

They make Marshall amps in Britain? Well I'll be buggered. (sorry Kev) I always thought they were made in the USA. Do they leak oil? What are their electrics like?

Speaking about Commie medicine, my mate Jeff at Ace Motorcycles managed to rip the top off his thumb a few years ago when his son was helping him service a dirt bike. Anyway, they went off to hospital, where the top of his thumb was amputated. (too badly mashed to save)

When it came to pay, the accounts lady said "You're in your own business, so we'll do it through Workcover", but Jeff said, "No fcuking way, Workcover will want to do an inspection of the workplace, and will probably shut my business down if they see what a mess it is!" so he says, "OK, I've got private health insurance, how much?" to which she replies, "$3K, plus meds." "Fcuk!" says Jeff, what other options do I have? "Medicare" she replies, "no charge for anything, including the drugs they're sending you home with."

If tax payer funded medical insurance makes me a communist, well, fcuk me sideways and call me Vladmir.............

[Stev-o]

They make Marshall amps in Britain?

Hate to break the news, but some series are now made in Asia...

[Terry in Australia]

The ones that don't leak oil?

[Gene]

I meant to ask, Kevin - so you have to wear gloves - but is it compulsory to wear pants? I'm thinking of protests.

[Duanob]

I'm sure everyone pissed and moaned when the law said you had to wear helmets too. :/ So what?

[Gene]

I'm sure everyone pissed and moaned when the law said you had to wear helmets too. :/ So what?

I was thinking about that the other day.  I do miss riding without a helmet.  I wouldn't do it today - hell, I can't legally - but I did enjoy it.

[vfourfreak]

I meant to ask, Kevin - so you have to wear gloves - but is it compulsory to wear pants? I'm thinking of protests.

Nope, just helmet and soon to be gloves. In summer time here in the south, the normal ensemble is shorts, tee shirt, sandals and sometimes a helmet. Oh, and designer sunnies, very important those. And all justified by the fact that it's warm.

Accidents looking for somewhere to happen.

Me, I get fully geared up, leave home about 6am, do a run up the mountains, have breakfast and home before 10am. Nice and cool, no traffic, and the coppers are still only getting up.

Kev

[Gene]

I meant to ask, Kevin - so you have to wear gloves - but is it compulsory to wear pants? I'm thinking of protests.

Nope, just helmet and soon to be gloves. In summer time here in the south, the normal ensemble is shorts, tee shirt, sandals and sometimes a helmet. Oh, and designer sunnies, very important those. And all justified by the fact that it's warm.

Accidents looking for somewhere to happen.

Me, I get fully geared up, leave home about 6am, do a run up the mountains, have breakfast and home before 10am. Nice and cool, no traffic, and the coppers are still only getting up.

Kev

Organise a ride where all anyone wears are gloves and helmets.  And a towel on the seat - very important.

[Dunk]

I'm sure everyone pissed and moaned when the law said you had to wear helmets too. :/ So what?

It's a terrible infringement upon our rights. Every law makes us that much more percentage a slave. While I would never ride without a helmet, and a full face helmet and at least some semblance of gear (gloves and jacket) has saved my life twice now, I would never put a gun to someone else's head and pull the trigger if he decided to ride off without a helmet, or gloves. That is what government does, every law is a threat of violence escalating until the government either cages or kills the offender, regardless of whether there was a victim. It really is a big deal.

To what level each of us choose to mitigate the risks in our lives is a personal decision, and regardless of that decision it simply cannot involve aggressing against another individual by the nature of that choice. That being said, decent protective gear is cheap insurance as compared to medical bills, losing your income from being unable to work, or being unable to ride and do the other fun things in life.

[strynboen]

ok but in Europa ve all have to pay for the idiots vho drive vitaut helmets..and smask theirs heads and laying in coma for 10 years.
.ve have almost  free hospitals.
.so fools vho drives vitaut gloves..take Money from cancer sick peapel,, and all other ..so ve need some lavs to hold peapel from doing stupid Things.
.ve dont have the American systen..hvere you are free do die of lack of Money..

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, I'm hearing you Strybie, and don't worry, in most countries you're still free to die through a lack of money. I can understand peoples misgivings regarding making it compulsory to wear gloves even though we all agree that you should, I'm probably not the only one here who remembers the same arguments for compulsory helmet laws way back when, but nobody thinks it's a bad thing now. I guess sometimes we have to be protected from ourselves...........  

[demon78]

I agree if the health care system is paid for by the taxpayer then there has to be reasonable limits set upon the citizens because there are some out there that will drain the system, but it's the same as the idiots that go into the back country that are ill prepared for conditions and have to be rescued I believe they should have to pay for their rescues ( If you are told there is a danger and you go to build up your ego and have to be rescued) Pay, pay.
Bill the demon.

[Lostboy Steve]

Idk. As someone who suffers from cramping in my fingers and hands, I don't wear gloves unless the comfort of warmth overcomes the discomfort of cramping. In other words, unless it's significantly cold out, I don't wear them. Now, when dirt bike or atv riding I do wear the very thin fox or O'Neil ones. I would wear them on the street if they did anything other than protect you from light bush whacking.


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[eigenvector]

Hate to break it to you Stryn, but hospitals can't refuse patients in an emergency - so those same idiots here cost us all money as well.
People who crack their skulls open on the pavement aren't the reason why medical care costs so much.  It's why I think they're idiots, but I wouldn't force them to wear a helmet or gloves or pants or ....
Laws like that don't serve any purpose beyond punishing someone who has suffered enough already as it is.

[Terry in Australia]

Hate to break it to you Stryn, but hospitals can't refuse patients in an emergency - so those same idiots here cost us all money as well.
People who crack their skulls open on the pavement aren't the reason why medical care costs so much.  It's why I think they're idiots, but I wouldn't force them to wear a helmet or gloves or pants or ....
Laws like that don't serve any purpose beyond punishing someone who has suffered enough already as it is.

While I'm sure hospitals wouldn't refuse anyone in an emergency, they could still charge exorbitant fees for their services, and send debt collectors after you if you were slow to pay, which to me would be way more punishment than getting a fine for not wearing gloves.

On my father's last visit to the US he had a medical condition which put him in the emergency ward for 3 weeks. Luckily enough the travel insurance he'd taken out paid his $220,000.00 US medical bill, but if it didn't (and the insurer did try to get out of paying it) my folks would have had to sell their house to pay the bill.

If he'd had the same thing happen to him in Oz, as an Australian tax payer, it wouldn't have cost him anything. Cheers, Terry.

[vfourfreak]

On my father's last visit to the US he had a medical condition which put him in the emergency ward for 3 weeks. Luckily enough the travel insurance he'd taken out paid his $220,000.00 US medical bill, but if it didn't (and the insurer did try to get out of paying it) my folks would have had to sell their house to pay the bill.

If he'd had the same thing happen to him in Oz, as an Australian tax payer, it wouldn't have cost him anything. Cheers, Terry.

Actually, as a foreign national, the US has no personal debt reciprocity, and, his fees would be written off to the US Govt and paid for by the US citizens. Our laws require hospitals to not refuse care and treatment, and when not possible to collect, waive the fees and get reimbursement from the Feds.

As for repayment, you can "repay" a hospital bill at ANY rate. Even $5.00 per month satisfies the obligation. Of course, you may need to substantiate your lack of ability to repay, and endure a Court Judgement. But hospitals CAN NOT send a person to debtors prison over medical fees.

Here in the EU there is health care reciprocity, if you are covered in one country, you are covered in all.
Brexit however is casting a big shadow over quite a few people living outside the sceptered isle, like app. 1 million Brits living in Spain, mostly older folk, who are just approaching the age when good health care is quite important. When the UK leaves the EU, no one knows for sure how they will be covered medically, if at all as reciprocity agreements may become void. Then what will they do ? The nightmare scenario for the UK is they all move back home, broke (because a firesale of properties in the south of Spain will have a poor yield) and likely to be needing lots of medical attention in the forthcoming years thus placing an increased burden on the excellent but taxed NHS. Alternatively , they might stay in Spain  (and other countries like . . . France) but will need to qualify themselves for medical cover in their adopted country, difficult when you are retired and of limited means.

Feckit, while I now earn peanuts, I have the best medical cover one could have, and truly that is a major benefit, esp as "senior years" beckon.

Kev