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The OTHER CL350
« on: September 25, 2016, 09:31:45 AM »
 While looking for parts for my other CL350,  I came across this on eBay. It was a '73 roller with the top end off the engine. It included new rings, cam chain tensioner/roller stuff, a gasket kit, and a title. Starting bid was $75. After a few days and nobody bidding, I hit the buy it now for $125 and arranged for a friend to pick it up (from VA....I'm in SC). Thanks, CalJ!





 It arrived a couple of weeks later. The tank ended up being junk, but the engine was in great shape with low miles.



 This is basically what I started with:


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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 09:33:46 AM »
 Sorted everything out and did an inventory...




 Got the frame cleaned up and ready for some "poor mans powder coating", aka, spray bomb!

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 09:37:44 AM »
 Rebuilt the forks and packed the steering stem bearings and swingarm bushings.




 I could NOT get the axle out of the rear wheel. No amount of penetrating oil, WD40, PB Blaster, heat, hammers, punches, etc. would get it more than halfway out. I ended up having to cut the axle to get it out.



 The rear wheel was a little rough anyway so, luckily, I had grabbed a nice wheel off eBay and it came with the backing plate, axle, adjusters and even a good tire....all for $49! Spent some time cleaning it up....

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 09:40:09 AM »
 Installed a new tire and I had a roller. Frame and suspension done for about $100.




 The bars are some vintage Magura bars that I grabbed at Barber last year for $5.


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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 09:43:56 AM »
 The pipes had been cut and looked a little crusty...



 My plan is to use some mufflers I had in my stash (also from Barber... $20/pr.) and do something reminiscent of the XR750 Harley's.





 Spent a little time with wire brushes, rust converter, acetone, ScotchBrite pads, steel wool and chrome polish...



 And came up with this:


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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2016, 09:48:49 AM »
 Painted up the engine parts...



 Took this...



 Did this...



 And got this...


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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 09:50:53 AM »
 Spent a couple of afternoons in the garage with my Dad....




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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2016, 09:53:14 AM »
 Set the cam timing, installed new rings, new cam chain tensioner and pulleys, set end play, etc., and buttoned her all up.




 Then stabbed it in the frame.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 09:55:03 AM »
Somewhere along the way I rebuilt the carbs and cleaned the K&N filters that came on the other bike. The '71 still has the stock exhaust and air boxes. This one will have custom exhaust and pods. I'll be sending these off to CrazyPJ so he can do his "pods mod" magic on them.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 10:30:15 AM »
Great work on those pipes  8) etc. Scott !
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2016, 03:05:58 PM »
Yes, great work! Well done!

I'd like to know more about CrazyPJ's pods mods. Don't think I've heard of that one before.
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 03:18:22 PM »
 Apparently....and I'm a novice at these 350 twins... because they have two main jets it's nearly impossible to "tune out" the flat spot when running pods. You just move it around. PJ tried hundreds of different combinations and has got it dialed in, or at least that's the word on the streets. I'm not sure exactly what the mod is....it's a bit proprietary. But he only charges $65 to set them up. I ordered some O-rings and rebuilt them myself so, for less than $75 I can get the carbs "right".
 I think the longer K&N filters I have are supposedly the ones to use, and exhaust length has a LOT to do with it. He thinks my pods/mufflers combination will work well.
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 03:49:14 PM »
Well, let's hope he can work his magic! I know even less than you do about these bikes - do they have two main jets per carb? $65 is money well spent when you think about how much time it can take to dial in carbs after intake and exhaust mods.

If he's that good, you should ask him to come up with a solution for the 750s. He'd earn a fortune! ;D
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2016, 04:14:38 PM »
 Yes, two main jets per carb.
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 09:49:23 AM »
What a cool read.  Not getting your pictures for some reason but, your commentary is fun to read.  Good luck with that...i sure like to see the end product

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 10:02:23 AM »
perfect.  very interesting.  i can see all posted pictures with the use of my computer.  on the tapatalk i could not.  keep up the work.


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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 12:40:20 PM »
What is the "rust remover" you speak of?
Is that the stuff you're smearing on in the photo?
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 05:43:47 PM »
 I usually remove rust with any combination of brass brushes, elbow grease, 0000 steel wool and chrome polish (sometimes Windex), etc....anything to get the heavy, scaly stuff off. If it's taken the metal down to a raw state, I'm a HUGE fan of Permatex Rust Treatment.

http://www.permatex.com/products/specialized-maintenance-repair/body-interior-trim/permatex-rust-treatment/

 This stuff turns the rusty area to a purple-ish, black-ish surface that won't rust again. You can paint over it if you won't, but I don't always. For example, the rusty area under the fork ears.....wire brushed it down to solid metal and sprayed with the Permatex. Excellent stuff.

 CrazyPJ is a member here and at the Honda Twins site.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2016, 04:31:36 AM »
 I think this thing must have had Ape Hangers on it at some point. The wires for the controls were (crudely) extended. Yes, that appears to be telephone cord cable.



 Luckily, they cut the wires down at the bullets and left plenty of the original harness. I sent the controls to Sparckmoto and they repaired them with the correct style Honda bullets. I also purchased one of their combination regulator/rectifier units.



Did a little paint detail and polishing on the gauges and mounts, installed some foam weather stripping to replace the rotten rubber and some new LED lights.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2016, 04:32:23 AM »
Played around with mocking up the exhaust. It's just sitting there right now. I'll have to see if I can get it properly installed and still clear the shock.




 Dropped of the front fender and heat shield to be powder coated. Trying to decide what to do about the rear fender and will most likely have it powder coated, too. Got the battery box installed and a little more wiring done.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2016, 01:15:27 PM »
Apparently....and I'm a novice at these 350 twins... because they have two main jets it's nearly impossible to "tune out" the flat spot when running pods. You just move it around. PJ tried hundreds of different combinations and has got it dialed in, or at least that's the word on the streets. I'm not sure exactly what the mod is....it's a bit proprietary. But he only charges $65 to set them up. I ordered some O-rings and rebuilt them myself so, for less than $75 I can get the carbs "right".
 I think the longer K&N filters I have are supposedly the ones to use, and exhaust length has a LOT to do with it. He thinks my pods/mufflers combination will work well.

One thing that will help, but is hard to do: if you can enclose the pods and give each one an opening about 2" in area, and then connect the 2 "containers" together, it will go a LONG way toward balancing the vacuum diaphragms. This is the 'key' to getting those carbs working without flat spots. They "talk" to each other thru the OEM-interconnected, low-efficiency paper filters, which was why they would run fine with filters almost totally clogged (my best friend ran his over 30k miles on the original air filters, riding 2-up with his wife the whole time except when commuting to work!). When this "tunnel" is left open, like when the gasket seal fails or the owner mis-assembles the paper air filters (or if you get stung with the EMGO versions, which have the 'tunnel' hole a little bit out of place, requiring you make your own) and this cross-pipe is not closed into the filters, the flat spot appears.

It comes not from the jetting, but from the action of the rubber diaphragms. So, if they are cracked, get new ones or the problem will NEVER go away. We used to temporarily seal the cracks with Fel-Pro's FelCoBond for a (college) semester while the owners saved up for new ones, but that's all this fix would last.
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2016, 06:57:57 PM »
They sell the stock oem filters at DSS now for small $;go w/ the oem Honda filters  ;)
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2016, 03:33:38 AM »
 That's what I did on the '71. This bike is so far from stock and I have to modify the exhaust anyway, so.....
 I already had the K&N's and they're the "right" pods, if you're going to attempt to run pods.
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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2016, 07:19:14 AM »
 I'll be running pods on this bike and I still wanted to run side covers. Here's my solution to having the lower mounting rod (that normally runs through the stock air cleaners and their covers).

 Using parts found in my garage, I took some PVC pipe cut to length, a piece of foam insulation wrap leftover from my hot water heater and some washers...



 Scuffed and painted the PVC (just for looks) and slid the foam through the hole under the battery box. Works PERFECT! It's snug enough around the pipe to hold it in place yet lets it float side to side and in all directions to help center the pegs in the side covers.

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Re: The OTHER CL350
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2016, 10:12:15 AM »
I like the mufflers, but I would either wrap the pipes or paint them to match the cans
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