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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #225 on: August 20, 2017, 08:08:24 AM »
Quote from: jag767 on August 19, 2017, 05:11:16 AM
Someone order a fuel pump?

Do you just install the tank by tilting it at an angle so that the fuel pump snake around the backbone rail?
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #226 on: August 20, 2017, 10:26:56 AM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on August 20, 2017, 08:08:24 AM
Quote from: jag767 on August 19, 2017, 05:11:16 AM
Someone order a fuel pump?

Do you just install the tank by tilting it at an angle so that the fuel pump snake around the backbone rail?

Yup!
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #227 on: August 22, 2017, 01:23:00 AM »
And it fits oh so well (after taking an angle grinder to the coil mount  ;D)
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #228 on: August 22, 2017, 01:37:01 AM »
Ok so the muffler will get here wednesday, which means by Sunday I should have the exhaust complete. I did plan to run the motor before I tear it back down, but my plan has changed, going to save that for reassembly, and cross my fingers (in theory no reason it shouldn't run). I am giving myself til Sept 7th to finish the exhaust, get all the 3d printed bits done, and finish welding on the frame. From Sept 8th to Oct 7th I have to refinish every component (going to bodywork the frame and tank myself, as well as do the paint), and from Oct 8th til Nov 11th to reassemble and get her to run. I plan on having her in the NYC motorcycle show at the Javits center Dec 1st, so should be easily doable. I'm also hoping to squeeze into handbuilt with this one, which is why I will by moving very show and meticulously.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #229 on: August 24, 2017, 01:09:03 PM »
So this happened. Short and gonna be very loud.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #230 on: August 24, 2017, 02:38:35 PM »
When are they sending you the rest of that muffler? :D  ;D
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #231 on: August 24, 2017, 02:46:56 PM »
Quote from: RAF122S on August 24, 2017, 02:38:35 PM
When are they sending you the rest of that muffler? :D  ;D

No doubt!  Aside from it being loud as ___, won't it also lose some performance?
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #232 on: August 24, 2017, 02:48:16 PM »
Lol. Ehh, a little but it really doesnt matter, with efi theres a lot of magic that'll trim it out.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #233 on: August 24, 2017, 02:53:46 PM »
Quote from: jag767 on August 24, 2017, 02:48:16 PM
Lol. Ehh, a little but it really doesnt matter, with efi theres a lot of magic that'll trim it out.

Ok.  Curiosity is getting the better of me.  Are you going to purchase a Power Commander V to remap it with a computer?  https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-honda-cbr500r-cb500x-cb500f-2016-2017  Have you done this before and, if so, how difficult is it to DIY?
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #234 on: August 24, 2017, 02:58:40 PM »
Yep! Yes I have done a lot of efi vehicle work, actually never a bike, but it should be about the same.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #235 on: August 24, 2017, 08:42:59 PM »
Being Lazy and not reading all posts  ::)  Did the motor run prior to this?  Or is it an unknown?

Beautiful build!  Cannot wait to see/hear it completed

Cheers, Joe
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #236 on: August 24, 2017, 08:47:19 PM »
Quote from: jag767 on August 24, 2017, 02:58:40 PM
Yep! Yes I have done a lot of efi vehicle work, actually never a bike, but it should be about the same.

Cool. I have very little experience with mapping. Please share the details when you get to this point!
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #237 on: August 25, 2017, 02:30:21 AM »
Quote from: CBJoe on August 24, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Being Lazy and not reading all posts  ::)  Did the motor run prior to this?  Or is it an unknown?

Beautiful build!  Cannot wait to see/hear it completed

Cheers, Joe

Thanks! Motor is an eBay special, I forget but I think it has a few thousand miles on it, and there was a video of it running.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #238 on: August 25, 2017, 11:26:27 AM »
I moved the bike figured to get a better photo.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #239 on: August 25, 2017, 01:39:00 PM »
Quote from: jag767 on August 25, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
I moved the bike figured to get a better photo.

Looks amazing...yet again, this may have been discussed already, but what are you places for the rear frame section just behind the seat?  Are you thinking to make a hoop to mach the seat profile or is this still in planning phase?

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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #240 on: August 25, 2017, 01:52:58 PM »
Quote from: CBJoe on August 25, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: jag767 on August 25, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
I moved the bike figured to get a better photo.

Looks amazing...yet again, this may have been discussed already, but what are you places for the rear frame section just behind the seat?  Are you thinking to make a hoop to mach the seat profile or is this still in planning phase?

Joe

I hate hoops. Not to mention theres no clearance. It'll get cut shorter and capped. I may get a little creative we'll see if the grinder slips  ;D
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #241 on: August 29, 2017, 09:47:01 AM »
Were you able to keep the same volume in the oil sump pan with the newly shaped one?
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #242 on: August 30, 2017, 01:24:33 AM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on August 29, 2017, 09:47:01 AM
Were you able to keep the same volume in the oil sump pan with the newly shaped one?

Yup, its within a couple ounces.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #243 on: August 30, 2017, 01:34:07 AM »
Hey anyone know if etp copper is hard enough to be used as wheel spacers? I think its the same hardness as aluminium, i was thinking of do the engine spacers and wheel spacers out of it. I am also going to used polished copper washers on everything as an accent. Hey, gotta do something with my new lathe  :o ;D
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #244 on: August 30, 2017, 09:27:28 PM »
Quote from: jag767 on August 30, 2017, 01:24:33 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on August 29, 2017, 09:47:01 AM
Were you able to keep the same volume in the oil sump pan with the newly shaped one?

Yup, its within a couple ounces.

That wasn't easy to do.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #245 on: August 30, 2017, 10:42:50 PM »
Not sure what EPT is, but copper is soft.
 Make aluminum or steel spacers, and slip copper pipe over it, either press fit or loctite.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #246 on: September 06, 2017, 02:50:17 AM »
Did a bit of poking around on your Early Pregnancy Test Copper, yeah I know ETP not EPT...

Search for a  "CopperAlliance.eu " site about ETP copper and you will find some very good info.
It has a Rockwell hardness of 45 (very soft) to 155 (which is very hard), and is not to  difficult to machine (only a 20% machinability rating), as well as prone to stress cracking unless post machining you stress relieve it by 150-200C heat treat cycle.  It will anneal at 450-600C so, no worries of annealing it unless you have a heat treat furnace.  You cannot harden ETP copper (or any copper I believe through heat treat). It will not become harder over time nor will it really have a shelf life.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #247 on: November 22, 2017, 03:28:38 AM »
I know it's been a bit, but my current occupation (taking care of my 1 year old) monopolizes my life, so not much has been done. The side covers have been 3d printed, as well as the intake. I also got most of the bodywork done on the tank. I'm hoping starting January I can get  back to it, as I want to submit it for the handbuilt show.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #248 on: November 22, 2017, 09:52:09 AM »
Nice work!  Do you have much ground clearance?  Looks like with the exhaust it is pretty small on that side.  That could be a challenge on large speed bumps.
Once you anneal etp copper as recommended I would be curious an its hardness.
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Re: The Amalgam: honda past meets present, take 2! or 3?
« Reply #249 on: November 22, 2017, 10:26:31 AM »
Picture is making it look low, but theres 4+ inches there
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