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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2016, 05:10:38 PM »
"Affordability" on the other hand is a very relative term in "bleeding edge" technology.  ;)

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Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
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"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
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Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2016, 05:14:48 PM »
.....
Q: How fast can I go?
A: How much money you got?

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2016, 06:13:18 PM »
Yep, bleeding edge technology make yo wallet bleed!
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2016, 09:15:43 PM »
Time to stay in my lane- lol

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2016, 11:04:14 PM »
The Carrillo card you posted is not the 750 sohc. Part number looks like an 1100F dohc. 750 specs are as follows;

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2016, 04:38:26 AM »
Mine all weighed 316 on my scale.
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2016, 01:30:29 PM »
Mine all weighed 316 on my scale.
One of them broke?
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2016, 01:49:46 PM »
Yep...but pin went first!
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2016, 04:10:30 PM »
Pin, piston and then rod- in that order I'm certain. Chain, cases and block were collateral damage. Crank is probably a safe bet for use in a street motor at this point- not sure I'd trust it in my 1000cc plus race engine.

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2016, 06:48:48 PM »
Crank gone too, stripped the teeth for primary chains!
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2016, 06:52:50 PM »
Crank gone too, stripped the teeth for primary chains!

Oh crap. Carnage to the max. So now the only salvageable parts are the head, cam, and transmission?? Is the clutch basket okay??

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2016, 04:05:23 AM »
Clutch looks fine. .....more pics when I finish splitting cases after work later today!
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2016, 05:23:35 AM »
I think we're stepping all over Big Jays'  original thread. It's turned into a post about your engine. Sorry Jay.

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2016, 05:56:02 AM »
I think we're stepping all over Big Jays'  original thread. It's turned into a post about your engine. Sorry Jay.

Although, Bill's motor looks like a good candidate for one of Jay's Ultra Cranks!  ;)

As long as Bill keeps tearing them up without hurting himself, Jay will keep selling him crankshafts.  ;D

Wouldn't mind having one of those Ultra Cranks myself...  :-\
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Projects:
"Evolution": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=100352.0
"P.O. Debacle": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126692.msg1441661.html#msg1441661
F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
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Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
Primary Drive: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166063.msg1919278.html#msg1919278
Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
630 to 530 conversion: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180710.msg2094423.html#msg2094423

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2016, 09:29:43 AM »
I think that all posts with APE Ultra crank are good as long as we SOHC:ers order a set or 2 from APE or another tuner, included in a package. Bill will get another APE crank, right?
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2016, 09:37:04 AM »
I think we're stepping all over Big Jays'  original thread. It's turned into a post about your engine. Sorry Jay.

Although, Bill's motor looks like a good candidate for one of Jay's Ultra Cranks!  ;)

As long as Bill keeps tearing them up without hurting himself, Jay will keep selling him crankshafts.  ;D

Wouldn't mind having one of those Ultra Cranks myself...  :-\
The APE Ultra crank is not that expensive if the result is taken to account. Smooth running engine from idle and up. New rubbers in the primary hub and all chains with tensioners replaced. Goodbye old rattling CB750, welcome  better than new! Undercutted gears  too when engine is open. I talk about my bike....
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2016, 08:23:01 PM »

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The APE Ultra crank is not that expensive if the result is taken to account. Smooth running engine from idle and up. New rubbers in the primary hub and all chains with tensioners replaced. Goodbye old rattling CB750, welcome  better than new! Undercutted gears  too when engine is open. I talk about my bike....
[/quote]  Why don't we have a like button.

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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2016, 11:28:26 PM »

The APE Ultra crank is not that expensive if the result is taken to account. Smooth running engine from idle and up. New rubbers in the primary hub and all chains with tensioners replaced. Goodbye old rattling CB750, welcome  better than new! Undercutted gears  too when engine is open. I talk about my bike....
[/quote]  Why don't we have a like button.
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Your not the first one to say that... ;)
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Re: APE Ultra Cranks
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2016, 12:23:39 AM »
That button might overflow the server ;)

Serieously: A balanced crank + alternator rotor together with mentioned bottom end restore will give more for the bucks than a new sets of carbs that is easy to hang on later when an opportunity knocks on the door.

I should have invested in that instead of Smoothbores back in early 80's. Problems with the cracking carb boots made me to use the std carbs. Same top speed.
More $$$ invested in hp + torque increase, a good idea to protect with better rods.

Edit: I could not stop thinking about it.
Balanced crank as mentioned here should be the start in all CB750 engine restores. Not only HP +rpm guys. An old engine will probably need a refresh of the crank, new rod bearings etc. anyway.
Bottom restore kit to start with:
- APE "Infra" crank, lightened, balanced. polished journals..... with refreshed std rods + F2 bolts
- Balanced and maybe lightened alternator rotor. Or a balanced later model.
- New rubbers in prmary hub. The 2 needle bearings inside are cheap std bearings....
- All 3 chains with tensioners
- Additional undercut of gears
- New ball bearings if engine has many miles. Std should work 100.000kms, right?

When this is done:
- Doing the cylinder. Refresh gasket surface, Pistons: Std over size/ cheap low CR 836/CR 10 something 836 for hotter cams.
- Old fogotten head must get cut seats, milled gasket surface, blasted outside as well as inside. Maybe some guides and valves. Std K last long. My K6 did despite hard life with min warm-up and bad oils. Before it was tuned.
- Optional port job. Minimum remove the burrs, improve the chambers around the valves.
- Cam like 341. Hotter needs new springs and seriously ported head, right?
- Better carbs after MRieck stage 4 head or similar.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 11:19:22 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967