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Offline doobiebro

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Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« on: December 01, 2006, 09:10:01 AM »
I have a 1977 CB750K and am considering changing the OEM set-up to use the spin-on oil filters.  I have seen and read in the forums that Terry sells a very nice adapter, but is why is an adapter needed?  Couldn't a threaded union simply screw into the current oil filter bolt hole and then a spin-on oil filter then be screwed onto the union with the spin-on oil filter body (and O-ring) snug against the lip that the current oil filter housing is placed?

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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2006, 11:01:17 AM »
there is no place on the engine for the gasket to seal.
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2006, 11:13:50 AM »
really good point actually.  The stock housing has a oring gasket.  Why wouldn't and oil filters gasket work if you could get the threaded insert?
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 11:23:58 AM »
Call the guys at Cycle-X and ask them, as they make an adapter...
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2006, 11:52:27 AM »
   Terry's adapter is for use with a oil cooler. You can choose from "spin-on" or OEM type oil cooler adapter.  I'm with C. Liston, don't see why you wouldn't be able to mate filter directly to engine.
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2006, 11:54:01 AM »
it's nice to see the doobies... er, um... the newbies dig right in and ask excellent tech questions.

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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2006, 12:04:26 PM »
Soooooo.....does anyone have the answer? I'm getting the adaptor eventually to run the cooler but assumed you had to have adaptor to use spin on filter.
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 12:37:35 PM »
I think that the sealing surface on the motor is quite a bit larger in DIA than most of the sealing rings on motorcycle filters...

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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 12:57:08 PM »
I think that the sealing surface on the motor is quite a bit larger in DIA than most of the sealing rings on motorcycle filters...


   Good point, filter alone might not cover all the oil passages as well. Didn't think about any of this, just assumed that engine surface was flat and that smaller diameter filter would still seal to it.
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 01:33:25 PM »
in the stock setup the filter housing fills with dirty oil and is sucked through the filter to clean it. If you just put a spinon bolt in the block the filter will not match up to the passages that are outside the bolt bringing the dirty oil. You need the adapter to 1) prevent oil leaks, and 2) make sure the filtering process is working correctly.

The stock filter housing BTW is also a crude cooler. Changing to a spinon can have an effect on this, but I doubt it is significant. On the 77/78 cb750Fs there is an extension to this to help the cooling process that most people throw away when fitting aftermarket pipes. They don't realize that their oil is running a little hotter than the K bikes before it, and that honda installed these to help a hotrodded cb750 engine cope with oiling issues.  It is for this reason that I think running an oil cooler when doing a spinon filter is a good idea, and espically a good idea on the 77-78 F engines. As long as you are getting the adapter from terry, why not spring for the extra bucks and get the cooler too, espically if you live in warmer climates or urban areas.....
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 03:21:46 PM »
I have 400f parts bike  in which the previous owner did exactly what you suggest. There is a threaded union which threads into the motor, then a spin-on oil filter goes on. I have not run this engine so I dont know if there are any negatives, but its fits perfectly and I have no reason to think it wouldn't work. The problem is finding a spin-on with the exact same dimensions. The one on there looks like its from a harley.

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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 05:51:31 PM »
Here's a pic of the Cycle-X spin on adapter for reference on my CB750..

Seems as if the adapter brings down the size, or "adapts" for a better word the
stock opening to the correct size for the HD filter (see pic)..
« Last Edit: December 01, 2006, 05:59:03 PM by ProTeal55 »
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 08:41:28 PM »
I bought a cooler and spin on filter kit on e-bay that uses a filter from a volvo, the filter circumference is the same as the stock oil filter housing.  I see no reason why you couldn't just go right to the motor, aside from the cooling issues.  The oil would still flow the same way as if it had the factory setup.

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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2006, 08:47:42 PM »
Stock bolt has a bypass built in gents.

I'd want to make sure whatever filter I used had that feature to bypass oil in the even of a filter clog.
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Re: Why is a adapter needed for a spin-on oil filter?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 01:25:59 PM »
Is that what the springs are for on a stock filter setup?