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Storing a spare engine
« on: November 06, 2016, 10:54:48 AM »
I picked up a couple of engines from a junkyard (550's) and I'd like to store them in a way that protects the fins, keeps them off the floor (and out of the way), maybe (maybe!!) even makes it easier to take them apart and work on them.

Are there good options for that or would this be something I would have to custom make?  Shouldn't be too hard to make - 2x4s and threaded rod for the engine mount holes
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2016, 10:59:00 AM »
No threaded rod,build it so it sits into the base,build a mini open crate, that is stackable..
If you ever sell an engine or send one out for work...you already have the crate.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2016, 11:05:04 AM »
My pall keeps his spare engine stuff in 20 gallon tubs.  On shelves.

Me, I'm poor.  Cheap tackle boxes and cardboard grocery boxes store my spares.

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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2016, 11:21:48 AM »
take a 201 liter tank...cut it in half fill diesel in and drop the engine Down..thel it are korosion free..and all are loosen up in some month...take all elektric ignision part aut before dump it
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2016, 11:56:19 AM »
No threaded rod,build it so it sits into the base,build a mini open crate, that is stackable..
If you ever sell an engine or send one out for work...you already have the crate.

Why not threaded rod (or at least an aluminum rod)?  I figure I can suspend the engine from the rear and front engine mounts which are also good places to rotate the assembly.  A 550 engine only weighs about 75 lbs or so - not nearly enough to stress a 1x4 side rail.

I do like the idea of a stackable crate - very convienent.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2016, 12:44:38 PM »
If you have mud daubers in your area make sure the engine is protected from them.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2016, 01:23:28 PM »
If you have mud daubers in your area make sure the engine is protected from them.

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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2016, 01:55:40 PM »
Well at any rate I have start on the first one.

Plenty of scrap lumber around the shop to make a crate.

Thanks for the idea of a stackable crate.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2016, 06:28:04 PM »
75 lbs ..not even close.. A 350 twin is probably more than thatm
Why hang off the mounts, let the bottom sit firmly into a  square that the sump easily fits into .then a bigger square around it that the corners attach to
And put handles on the crate, that dont stick out past the corners.. Corners can be. 1x4 or 2x3..
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2016, 06:32:41 PM »
A 750 motor is 176 lbs.. Your 550 in. A crate be at least that .
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2016, 06:50:32 PM »
I've knocked together some 2x4s to make a simple transportation crate when picking up a motor or elite ring one. I use an idea similar to Frank's with a towel draped over the bottom rails to protect the motor. A simple Jig Saw cut for the stator cover and points, and it sits snug as a bug on the floor, in the truck bed, or easy enough to move around.

And your motor weighs more than 150# before the crate.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2016, 08:16:33 PM »
Not likely that much - maybe 100.  I assume that data available for the asking regardless.

Not really relevant - 75, 100, 200 lbs it's still not heavy enough to be concerning.

At least I can get them properly stored and out of the way.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2016, 08:26:21 PM »
Its very relevant, the very motor I used to pick up and carry and put in and out of the frame..I can now barely carry, or if I do i am going to hurt myself. Not only that ,dont hurt yourself because you THOUGHT it was only 75 lbs..
 With crates and handles, much easier to deal with.. Wish i had mine crated when I had to move about 7 motors last year
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2016, 04:11:43 PM »
Point taken
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2016, 05:11:01 PM »
 Pack the ports with as many plastic grocery bags as you can poke in there. I got an engine that was stored outside like that, not stuck and beautiful on the inside. It even had moss growing on the rocker cover.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2016, 09:57:37 PM »
Are the motors stuck? If no, remove plugs, squirt some oil in there and kick over to coat the cylinders.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2016, 06:38:05 AM »
take a 201 liter tank...cut it in half fill diesel in and drop the engine Down..thel it are korosion free..and all are loosen up in some month...take all elektric ignision part aut before dump it

This is a good idea. It would be heavier than #$%* and far from cheap but it is a good idea.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2016, 11:35:51 AM »
We should have a topic on storage crates that stack, 2 or three high.
I bet someone would come up with an easy to make , with plans..
 The big problem when moving is.. You need them the most and badly, but no time to make them, and do a good job.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 10:15:05 AM »
  I use corks to fit in the ports, nice fit, mouse-proof, easy to remove, and can be found in any hardware store cheap...sometimes I can find them made of rubber, those are nice too.
   I have also tried to cover the engine during the winter, the mice like to get under the cover and raise families...didn't like that,  also found that in temperature fluctuation condensation and oxidation occurs faster because it takes longer to dry off.
  I 've been keeping my "ready " engines on a large baking sheet, indoors, with the oil pans off so they sit sturdy, all other related pieces to each engine on same pan. Along with the ports being corked and on a shelf well from the floor.... those  engines have engine building lube in them and haven't been run yet. No place for mice to hide  , and is open to the air should it need to have condensation evaporate...so far  no mice ,looks dry , no  visible oxidation, and still looking new. they are in the unheated barn, my goal is to move them to a heated space cause I'll feel better about it.
   The spare "not rebuilt" engines don't get that treatment. They are intact, with blocks underneath them that keep them in the upright position. the ones that spin gets corks only. The ones that don't spin ... well, what's the difference as long as they are clean and dry, they are already screwed,and definitely in better circumstances now then when they were found. They are on a shelf too.
 Lifting is always an issue, so the "ready" engines are at waist height, as are next in line for rebuild. The stuck engines are near the floor with the junkyard found lower cases (in case I need tranny parts) . The top ends are on open air shelves.
  Short of that, I think the next best thing, would be to set them in a barrel of oil and bury them in the constant 50 degree ground...but that sounds excessive.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 01:52:39 AM »
Care to share your crate design photos for storing or moving or shipping a motor?
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2016, 02:25:16 AM »
  I use corks to fit in the ports, nice fit, mouse-proof, easy to remove, and can be found in any hardware store cheap...sometimes I can find them made of rubber, those are nice too.
   I have also tried to cover the engine during the winter, the mice like to get under the cover and raise families...didn't like that,  also found that in temperature fluctuation condensation and oxidation occurs faster because it takes longer to dry off.
  I 've been keeping my "ready " engines on a large baking sheet, indoors, with the oil pans off so they sit sturdy, all other related pieces to each engine on same pan. Along with the ports being corked and on a shelf well from the floor.... those  engines have engine building lube in them and haven't been run yet. No place for mice to hide  , and is open to the air should it need to have condensation evaporate...so far  no mice ,looks dry , no  visible oxidation, and still looking new. they are in the unheated barn, my goal is to move them to a heated space cause I'll feel better about it.
   The spare "not rebuilt" engines don't get that treatment. They are intact, with blocks underneath them that keep them in the upright position. the ones that spin gets corks only. The ones that don't spin ... well, what's the difference as long as they are clean and dry, they are already screwed,and definitely in better circumstances now then when they were found. They are on a shelf too.
 Lifting is always an issue, so the "ready" engines are at waist height, as are next in line for rebuild. The stuck engines are near the floor with the junkyard found lower cases (in case I need tranny parts) . The top ends are on open air shelves.
  Short of that, I think the next best thing, would be to set them in a barrel of oil and bury them in the constant 50 degree ground...but that sounds excessive.

I could only find corks at a local restaurant (to plug gastanks when I clean them out). Never seen corks large enough at hardware stores to cover the ports. I will have to ask at the counter I guess, as that sounds like a better idea than plastic bags to me.

The engines I have are shrink wrapped during dry weather and have kept dry even in the rain. No moisture has gotten in. Cheap to buy a large roll and the leftover I use to wrap all my other large chromed parts once they're polished.

Never thought of crating the engines I have, but will look into it as I have found a local source for free crates (3 x 3 x 3 feet hardwood) and pallets. The crates are not water proof though.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 06:34:26 AM »
For what it's worth I've built my crates.

Nothing special but they're effective and will hold a 550 plus any extras you care to toss in.

A basic 2x2 sheet of 3-ply plywood, interior 2x2 frame.  Motor rests on 3/8" rods through the bottom rear and front engine mounts and those rods are supported by uprights attached to the bottom skids.

Engine has no part touching the crate panels, it's supported entirely by the engine mounts and is firmly attached - no movement.

Once I have a place to put them I'll seal up the crates and store them by wrapping the engine in 3 mil poly and securing the top panel.

2x2x2 is definitely too large for a 550 - but it's a nice standard dimension that requires minimal measuring and cutting.
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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2016, 04:29:09 PM »
How are you shrink wrapping engines in plastic?  Is this a special plastic or are you using something to seal the plastic?

Saw a winter bike cocoon/pressurize air bubble storage once that was similar to the car ones... frame inside a tent like structure where it is moisture impervious.  Some are inflated with no support structure and the air pressure from the pump keeps them inflated. The bike is parked inside it (and in the case of a car you can toss several desiccant packs to the interior) and a fan forces air through the structure to keep the thing dry and the humidity lower than the outside of the structure. There are several brands and indoor storage is ideal but they also make them for outdoor storage.  With cars you take the weight off the tires putting them on jack stands so the tires don't take a set.  Makes putting a car back in action a little more involved.

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Re: Storing a spare engine
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2016, 07:35:10 PM »
It's not shrunk-wrapped, just draped really - enough to keep water off of it if the crate leaks, or bugs out of it if they worm their way into the crate.

The wrap is also to make it easier to ship (I don't actually intend on shipping it anytime in my future - but who knows), rather the plastic provides a way to spray expanding foam into the crate to hold it firmly if it ever does get shipped.  I won't have to worry about the expanding foam sticking to the engine itself - just the plastic.
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