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Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« on: November 13, 2016, 07:45:31 AM »
Finally got to fire up the bike.  Fresh 836, valve job etc.  CR29s. 1970 CB750.  K&N pods.

Fired up immediately barely any choke.  Warmed up and settled into a decent idle.  I did this a few times with a good fan on the motor.  No leaks or drips.  A bit of smoke as I had plenty of oil in it.   Satisfied, I went around the block - just. 1st & 2nd.   Fine - still no leaks or funny noises.   Back to the garage for more fuel.  Starts right back up - no issues.  More slow laps around the block.  All is good.  Go back to the garage to gear up and double-check all the nuts and bolts once more before setting out on a longer ride.

Fires up for about 30 seconds and dies.   Won't fire back up.  Not hot - almost like no spark or fuel.  Check bowls - plenty of gas.  Pop new plugs in there - fires up and dies within a few seconds.
Try several more times.   Fired maybe twice more then cuts out almost immediately.  Gave up for the night.

This morning:  First press of the button and it fires off immediately.  Then dies like yesterday.  Drop the bowls - jets are clean.  Fuel is fresh non-ethanol.   Charging the battery currently - also new.


All lights work, fuse intact.   New wiring, coils etc.   I'm new to CR carbs, but they sure seemed close on my initial shakedown runs.

Anything jump out at you to try first ?   Seems like it has to be fuel related.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 08:28:04 AM by greenjeans »
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Re: Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 10:15:46 AM »
What's the compression in PSI with the engine vigorously cranking and the throttle held wide open?

Do you see spark at the plugs?

Check the timing. The points plate could have slipped.

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Re: Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 11:56:52 AM »
What's the compression in PSI with the engine vigorously cranking and the throttle held wide open?

Do you see spark at the plugs?

Check the timing. The points plate could have slipped.

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I thought of timing too

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Re: Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 12:13:43 PM »
So what did you do to tune the CR carbs?  CR carbs aren't a bolt and go solution.

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 02:03:31 PM »
I'm getting spark on all 4.  Plugs were wet (gas).  Timing plate looks like it hasn't moved - all screws still tight.  As far as tuning, I guessed as a starting point.  4th clip needle.  120 main jet.  Thing is, it started almost immediately on the first push of the button.  I rode it twice - maybe 5 miles total before my issues.   Felt and sounded like it really wants to run.  No low speed blubbering, pulled good, although I was only going through 1st & 2nd.  I'm thinking I must have some junk in the carbs. 

Since I picked they up used (supposedly only about 200 miles on them, I decided to pull them back off and really go through them with compressed air and carb cleaner.  I think one or more of those tiny starter circuit jets may have been plugged.  So I am now confident all the passages are sqeaky clean.  I set the floats to where they were just level with the carb bodies (they're square, and the only thing I was able to find regarding setting them said to set them level.  Would like to find another drain screw so I can modify it for a clear tube so I can see the actual level.

I have not checked compression.  I have new rings, fresh bores, new valve springs, guides, seals etc. so hopefully, it's just something with the carbs

Got everything back on.  Gonna give it another shot at halftime.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2016, 02:12:23 PM by greenjeans »
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Re: Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2016, 03:17:25 PM »
 Do those have a choke circuit and is that up to snuff and opening and closing ?

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 03:20:59 PM »
It's official. I'm an idiot.  The points connection/plug at the key switch & wasn't all the way in.  Must have knocked a little loose when I was putting the tank back on and off.   
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 03:24:39 PM »
 Sounds like great news even though your an idiot  ;D ;D  Here's hoping your first long ride is a blast !! What brand of pistons did you put in, little more compression by chance like Wiseco ?
  Can you post up a picture sometime for us. Sounds like it will be a fun ride.
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Re: Missing the obvious? CR carb guys help!
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 06:42:18 PM »
They are vintage forged Venolias.  Came in a box with the motor when I found it.  Can't believe how close the carbs are so far.  Low end pulls great, good idle no blubbering.  Still gotta synch the carbs.  Gotta add some ports to synchronize them with.  Kinda surprising these carbs don't have that...

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2016, 05:33:14 AM »
 Very nice--Future BOTM material  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2016, 04:26:16 PM »
I am curious what your plan is for adding sync ports?
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 12:44:08 PM »
I am curious what your plan is for adding sync ports?
 

Some of the posts that I've found put them in the carb boots/insulators pointing downward.   I'm usually pretty close on my bench synch as I'm pretty anal about it.

Still, it seems like those carbs would have a port.   Super nice carbs though.
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