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MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« on: December 04, 2006, 05:32:15 PM »
Bad day today.
A guy i have worked with for 10 yrs or so, rear ended a guy on a bike today.The person in front of the biker stopped quickly and the effect continued down the line.We drive 8500 lbs bucket trucks.So my work associate cannot stop on a dime.I think he was probably following too close also.I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet.The biker end up talking a good force blow from the truck and ended up be bayflighted to the hospital with a broken leg.I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ELSE YET.I am torn between tearing him apart verbally or feeling bad for him.I know he is torn up about this.The ironic part is i asked him for a bumpersticker.The same as the one on his truck for my bucket truck a few months ago.It reads Look once, look twice you could say a life,motorcycles are everywhere!!!.Those stickers were printed in remembrance of a fallen biker.Any good way to talk to him about this.Anyone have suggestions?


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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 05:37:17 PM »
thats a hard one. Might be best to wait a bit and then talk to him about it but not be acusing so he is not defensive.

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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 05:43:41 PM »
I'd bet the dude is feeling pretty bad about it right now and no preaching is going to make it better. Why do you say he was following too close? Is that what he said? Regardless....Im sure he is bummed about it.Sometimes,stuff happens real fast. You really have to be on your toes.
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 05:49:11 PM »
With that kind of accident, I could really only say the same thing I'd say if he rear-ended a car, "Leave more room.".  It's not like other situations where someone pulls out in front of a motorcycle because they weren't really looking, he was just following too close. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 05:50:33 PM »
If you can't stop in time, you're following too close and/or not paying attention. Pretty much one and the same.  He knows he blew it. What is there to say?
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 05:51:04 PM »
I am sure he didn't start his day looking to hurt someone. Jumping on him won't change what happened and he feels bad enough already. I bet he could use a good friend right now. Sometimes others involved in an accident are hurt worse than those physically injured.  

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 05:56:12 PM »
I would suggest that you offer him "support". Things like, "I heard things went south on you.", "Are you okay?", "I heard about the accident. Is there anything I can do?", "I am here for you, man." all offer non-judgemental support that he can respond to as much as he wants. I am sure he feels badly and is sensitive about the people around him, such as yourself. To ignore him is not the way as it will only make him feel worse.

I appreciate that you are torn, also. Until you know all the facts, which may or may not come out, try to keep a clear mind. You don't know enough details about what happened to make a decision. We all know he never intended it to happen.

You may wish to celebrate the fact that the biker "only had a broken leg considering ....." and your co-worker is physically okay. Mentally, tonight is a bad night on the Post Traumatic Stress roller coaster.

Does it sound like I've been there? Luckily, all my accidents have been someone else's fault and all just minor property damage but the emotions are the same.  A month of hell!
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 05:56:38 PM »
I'd bet the dude is feeling pretty bad about it right now and no preaching is going to make it better. Why do you say he was following too close? Is that what he said? Regardless....Im sure he is bummed about it.Sometimes,stuff happens real fast. You really have to be on your toes.

anytime someone rear-ends another vehicle because the vehicle in front of them stopped suddenly, they were following to close.  unless, they were just not paying attention.  either way, it could have been avoided.  we all know 99% of everyone on the road follows to closely.  a 2 second following distance is far more than you usually ever see being used.  (i'm speaking figuratively here guys... no need to come back at me with "no your wrong, this is what i read on wikipedia")  just trying to make a point i'm sure we are all grossly aware of the fact that... people follow us too close!

go easy on him siter... if he had the bumper sticker, that at least means he is aware of bikers... just had a momentary lapse of attention.  i'd imagine he won't be working there much longer because if i were the rider, my lawyer would make certain he would be losing his job pronto.  big rig drivers that run over motorcyclists don't usually fair too well.  if nothing else he will be on probation at work... i'm sure all of this will make him a bit more reliable as a driver.  no need to make him feel worse (at the moment)
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 06:58:33 PM »
Sounds like he would have connected with whatever was in front due to following too closely.

The fact it was a motorcyclist seems incidental - could have been a mother and child in a car ahead or a bunch of nuns.

I think he's learned whatever lesson there was.
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 07:06:19 PM »
Sorry to hear Siter... hope your buddy doesn't get into too much trouble (sounds like he was usually aware of motorcyclists).  It only takes a split second and whamo!  I understand what others say about lots of ppl following too close.  It happens everywhere(makes me want to look in my mirrors more often).   I'm also guilty of it on occasion until I think, "What if..."  and back off to the proper 2sec spacing.  Atleast it sounds like they will both be ok.  

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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 07:17:10 PM »
I agree with everything said. I think he gets the picture already. Most places, here included, if you can't stop in time, you were following too closely by default. He's likely going to face some issues over that and doesn't need any further lecturing. Hope the rider is OK, being medivac'd for a broken leg sounds excessive, maybe there is more to the injuries than that, hope not though.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 08:03:04 PM »
I agree with everything said. I think he gets the picture already. Most places, here included, if you can't stop in time, you were following too closely by default. He's likely going to face some issues over that and doesn't need any further lecturing. Hope the rider is OK, being medivac'd for a broken leg sounds excessive, maybe there is more to the injuries than that, hope not though.

I'm with everybody else.  You can't tell him anything he doesn't already know by now.  He does need your support.  He could carry this around for a long time...

As for the medevac flight being excessive:  some ground crews have a protocol to call for a helicopter based on mechanism of injury (big truck = big mechanism), based on whether or not the ambulance has a paramedic or basic crew, based on transport time to a trauma center, etc.  A broken leg can mean a broken femur; the thigh can hold enough blood to basically bleed out into the thigh.  If there was any suspicion of head injury, that's an additional factor.  And the crew might just have gotten nervous/cautious when they saw the size of the truck vs. the size of the bike.  In any case, OUCH!  :o
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 09:27:45 PM »
Just let him explain without jumping on him. Tell him "you dont have to tell me" "But I was just wondering - WTH?" This will loosen him up a bit. If he was being a fool, don't nail on him. I am sure he knows what is what at this point.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 10:07:10 PM »
yeah, i agree too, but... if i wanted to i could get rear ended every day.  especially by 8 ton trucks.  all i do is use my maximum stopping power while we are cruising at any sort of speed.  instant accident. 

if someone is following me too close i know it, and i leave myself more room in front to react at the pace of the idiot behind me.  dumptrucks and soccermoms especially.  if you want to tell your buddy something positive tell him that accidents happen becase of a lot of factors and he was just one of them, but he should also take away the lesson that he needs to be more aware when operating that kind of projectile.  my good vibes go out to all involved.
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2006, 06:41:08 AM »
Siter,

Sorry to hear about your friend.  Unfortunately there's probably nothing you can say that hasn't already run through his mind.  Just listen.  Nobody is perfect.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2006, 07:01:38 AM »
My philosophy has allways been 90% of drivers don't see you and the other 10% want to kill you! Watch them Both!

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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2006, 07:20:29 AM »
Sounds like he would have connected with whatever was in front due to following too closely.

The fact it was a motorcyclist seems incidental - could have been a mother and child in a car ahead or a bunch of nuns.

I think he's learned whatever lesson there was.
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Re: MY CO WORKER HITS A BIKER.
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2006, 09:11:50 PM »
Prolly nothing new to say here, so I'll combine a bit of the above.  First, pray for the rider and his family.  If both of you are praying folk, you might spend some time praying together.  As was mentioned, until you get solid information, you really know very little.  The medevac doesn't tell us lots other than that he got to the hospital fast.

I agree with Heffay and our favorite uncle; the driver must do something wrong to rear end someone.  I rear ended a car coming around an interesection, and the conditions were such that I don't know how I could have avoided it.  (Complicated story -- delayed green of indefinite duration controlled by rookie officer, oncoming traffic, truck pulling out of blind alley, fresh rain.)  Nevertheless, I take responsibility for it.

Of course he needs a friend now.  As I believe EC stated, he'll tell you bits when he's ready.  I've volunteered at a VA hospital.  Although I read much military history, only once have I asked a vet about his service (Chosin Marine Lt. Jos. Owen).  When someone is ready to tell you, they'll tell you.

Down the road, when the shock has worn off as much as it can, I would ask him what concrete steps he planned to do to prevent future accident.  Habits do die hard, and "I'm going to try harder" amounts to "I hope it doesn't happen again."  To change, you need to make steps to change, and it could be something as simple has having all his passengers (off work, most likely) remind him when he is following too closely, or it could be a refresher course, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2006, 09:20:17 AM »
Hey, If I was hit by a car and was hurt I would appreciate a phonecall from the guy who hit me. Or maybe a bottle of wine or something else to let a person know that he feels bad about the accident.

I got hit by a car once on my bicycle, and I didn't mind the damage or pain, but the guy who caused it seemed really indifferent. That pissed me off more than anything.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2006, 09:33:52 AM »
i wouldnt want to see the guy again, and would prefer bottles of cash.
indifference would suck though
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