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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2017, 11:33:19 AM »
Hi,
I try to sync the carbs
1 is synchronize with 2 but could not synchronize 3 and could not synchronize 4.
When i turn the 3 sync screw the vacuum gauge dosnt move but the rpm change (when I turn clockwise the rpm drops until the engine stop working) the same with carb 4.
The motorcycle is now back fire terribly even on some back fire on idle.

Any idea what is happening and how to solve?
Thanks

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2017, 11:43:08 AM »
Were the carbs propert bench synced?  I'd wager you got a vacuum leak somewhere.

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2017, 03:52:45 AM »
Thanks BomberMann650.
I did a bench sync as you suggested. (3 & 4 were way off).
Checked the carbs both, no cracks. 3 carb band was bent (this mite caused a vacuum leek).
I put back the carbs, checked with the vacuum gauges and the sync was almost perfect, made fine tuning and took the bike for a ride.

Runs good only problem when I release the throttle it back fires.

why is that?

 

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2017, 11:07:38 AM »
Besides too lean at idle position causing exhaust pops,  so will leaks in the exhaust system.
Have you had the headers off, then put back on without replacing the crush washers? That's one place to look.  But, rust holes anywhere can let in oxygen to ignite the exhaust mixture.

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2017, 03:01:45 PM »
Forgive me  for my ignorant but can you explain what is a plug chops at various throttle positions.
should I open the air fuel mixture screw to make it more rich? (I tuned them 2 1/4 turns)

I did not touche the exhaust system yet.
can you explain what should I do. I dont know what do you mean buy headers and what are the crush washers. 

sorry for the lack of knowledge  :( 


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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2017, 04:20:20 PM »
Without a dyno and exhaust gas sniffer to report the composition of the exhaust gases, an alternate way of determining the fuel mixture ratio is to see what deposits are on the spark plug tips.  They are in the combustion chamber.  Ideally you wish to see tan deposit on the spark plugs.  Black deposits tell you it is too rich, White deposits (no deposits actually), tell you the mixture is too lean.

A plug chop is where you run the engine under a load and a fixed throttle position.  Use known clean plugs, Say WOT (wide Open Throttle) for say 15 seconds.  Then you cut the ignition, and pull in the clutch simultaneously to stop the engine.  Come to a stop and examine the spark plug deposits.  Reading the spark plugs is a way to note what changes you need for fuel delivery from the carbs at a specific throttle position.
This is essentially a home brew dyno test, repeated at different throttle positions.  It is cheaper than taking it to a dyno test station, for similar information, provided you can avoid police attention.

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2017, 02:58:19 PM »
Well, that was interesting.  :)

So the answer was someone had installed main jets that were way too large and a slide from a different type carb?

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2017, 04:57:40 AM »
yes that is the story so far.

Now after replacing the slide, changing all the jets, synchronize the carbs, I am dealing with backfire on deceleration.

calj737 and TwoTired suggest me to check the headers and to do a plug chops at various throttle positions.

I ordered new crush washers and I think I will go to a dyno to test the air fuel mixture professionally.

Here is a picture of two plugs (1&4) after 15 minute ride that I done after the sync and on this ride there were backfire on deceleration. these plugs were new. I put them just before the sync procedure.
 
what can one learn from this plug read? Is it carbon fouled? Is it to cold ? It doesn't look like hot or lean ?

The compression test I did showed low compression (105 for all 4 cylinders). can this explain the backfire?

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2017, 11:59:31 AM »
Here is a picture of two plugs (1&4) after 15 minute ride that I done after the sync and on this ride there were backfire on deceleration. these plugs were new. I put them just before the sync procedure.
 
what can one learn from this plug read? Is it carbon fouled? Is it to cold ? It doesn't look like hot or lean ?

The plug says that one or more throttle positions are too rich.  And that quite likely you are getting the same build up in the exhaust, providing fuel for the pops.
It doesn't say anything about fuel mixtures when throttle is closed (deceleration position).  The plugs are on their way to being carbon fouled.  The black coating on the center electrode insulator will shunt away spark energy, leading to misfires.  At minimum, they need a full power full load hard run, to see if temps will get high enough to burn off those deposits.  You know, like what the police call drag racing.

Another thing to look at is ignition timing.  Early timing on the wasted spark cylinders can light the mixture in the pipes.  Also check for stuck advancer.

The compression test I did showed low compression (105 for all 4 cylinders). can this explain the backfire?

If all 4 were the same, no worries.   I expect you use a compression tester for large auto engines.  These add volume to the cylinder and force lower readings than book value, where they used a small engine tester to establish printed numbers.

A dyno report should tell you what needs changing in your carbs, by sniffing the exhaust.  The Dyno tech, may even tell you how much change is needed.
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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2017, 09:48:59 AM »
The OP has already checked the advance and timing, so those can be ruled out.

Can a dyno check pinpoint a particular cylinder or just say in general, too rich?

I'm trying to think of a (somewhat) easy way he could lean out each carb in turn to see if the popping goes away.

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Re: motorcyle dosen't go over 3000 rpm
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2017, 02:04:12 PM »
It is 4:2