Topic: Help with Identifying my new purchase please - looks like an early model, but it isn't.

[seanbarney41]

Again, 1979s were DOHCs. Other than bolts and washers these bikes did not have anything in common with the SOHCs

Ya'll are fixated on that 79 thing.  It's an easy typo to make...careless to not notice, yet simple to make.

I don't read german...but if the word "Hobby" in the description means what I think it means.  There's some of your origin story.

Description said something about TUV til 12/18.  Seller may have already made the machine legit to register and ride...it seems a prudent question to ASK rather than assume.  Folks get a bit testy when you call them criminals (not to mention hack mechanic)

Now could ya'll quit sharting on the seller just cause they put together a bike with the incorrect year of HEADLIGHT EARS, CHAINGUARD, and SIDE COVERS.

Bloody hell people.  Where is your decency?

It's already established the machine is not a concours restoration.  Can we leave it at that?

Some of ya'll got a real twisted bias against bike builder/sellers who might not belong to this forum.
I've seen it come up on here a lot from a few different members.  It's rather distateful in my opinion.
The hypocrisy leaves a bad taste in my mouth because there are several members who posess bitsa bikes, We give them a badge of honor and a trophy for having enough spare parts to do so!  But then crap on the work of a non-forum member for doing the same!  Way to make the forum look like an exclusionary bunch of arseholes.  Give one build a BotM award, but label an different bike STOLEN just because mismatch parts and a possible typo?  MOO!  MOO MOO MOO!!!!

I hope the seller turns out to be an sohc4 member and comes here to #$%*slap ya'll.

Then they and I can joke together about he FREAKING SWORD fixed to my bike because we are BLOODY PIRATES RATED AAARRRRR!

calm down dude...didnt really see where anyone said anything bad about the bike other than it is a strange mish mash of different year and model bikes.  It can be fun to see how many different years and models of bikes can be combined into one nice looking rider...I know I have done it and I commend the builder for an excellent job of making something very rideable and tasteful out of whatever he had available.  But when it comes time to sell, you gotta realize its time to be honest about what you have done and you are not getting top dollar.

[BomberMann650]

I think Cow Man had an excellent rant, just a pity that I can't find the same drugs when I need 'em......D

No drugs today mate.
Just callin BS cause I'm a cow.

First rule of flying still applies.  OP doesn't want it, and that's fine.

[MikeSimon]

I think it is a pretty nice bike and for less than $4,000.-, a good buy.
The seller is not the original owner. He is selling the bike from his father's "collection" who has to give it up for health reasons.
Maybe he restored a 1969 CB750 and he obtained good condition or even NOS parts for it that fit, but were just not the correct items for that year.
And maybe, the man was not as much of an expert of 750 SOHCs to be able to tell.
And what is with those guys who put big bore kits in their 750s? Are they going to be chastised for having an "incorrect" bike?

I am afraid to show the bike I am going to finish. It is a 1976 with 1975 bodywork .... yikes

[BPellerine]

jeez all this out of one question,I am just glad the guy did not pay big bucks for something he did not want,I am all for making a bike the way you want it,even a 'gasp' sandcast 900 kit on a lowly 78.but like some vintage bike sellers there are those who take advantage of someones lack of knowledge when selling.bill

[754]

 As far as I know, the G and GE in the serial numbers, are a European number system.
And it looks like it might be based on a 77/78 K ...if compared to ours over here.

Looking closer at the piics, actually a 77/78 F. Frame...it would be over here..

[Terry in Australia]

Ha ha, I can't help but laugh at those taking the high moral ground when they don't understand the issue, and creating a story based on "Maybe" is like Trump's spokeswoman talking about "alternative facts", it's all BS.

The real issue is that someone has built a bitsa, and has not adequately described it's origins, and a genuine, but naive bidder has bid on it, on it, assuming that it's an original bike. I don't know how much the price is in US dollars, but it's way more than I'd pay for a mutt.

I'm not saying it's stolen, I'm not saying the seller intentionally misled the bidders, I'm just saying it was easy for someone who's not an expert to assume that he was bidding on the real deal. Cheers, Terry.

[BomberMann650]

The euro is about 1.5 - 1.75 times the USD since brexit ain't it?

Which would push the boundary of market value for a swelleriffic turn key rider.  Provided it does start first kick.

[martin99]

I warned the OP to be wary as the frame number quoted did not apparently tally with an F2 frame - not that I checked it myself. Bikes get stolen and are given new identities all the time. Not much fun if you're the poor sod who gets his bike nicked, or the poor sod who buys a ringer and has to give it back. Can't see the problem with that advice, it's borne out of experience. Doesn't bother me how many different models went into building it, but if the numbers don't look right I smell a rat.

Bomber - this is a great forum populated by a good deal of genuine, knowledgeable and well-intentioned folks. It is also open to public view. I would suggest that next time you feel the need to 'call people out' or have a tantrum, you don't do it in a way that makes you, and the forum, look ridiculous but resolve your issues the long pants way by direct contact with those that have upset you through the PMs.

[BomberMann650]

Love ya Martin. 
If I said something that rubbed ya, well.  It's been said.  Can't take it back.
MikeSimon seemed to come through with a more detailed origin story.
Not sayin that bikes don't get illegally modified. 
In this circumstance, it felt right to give the seller benefit of the doubt.
As well as the respect that is earned by building these bikes back to fair condition.
It is the same respect that I extend to you guys here.
I appreciate your concern for my public persona.  Though, have you seen my avatar?

[Terry in Australia]

The euro is about 1.5 - 1.75 times the USD since brexit ain't it?

Which would push the boundary of market value for a swelleriffic turn key rider.  Provided it does start first kick.

PFFT! for the same money you can buy a sweet sandcast chopper!



http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Honda-CB-/361887084183?forcerrptr=true&hash=item544226ae97:g:88YAAOSwnHZYhp9q&item=361887084183

[MikeSimon]

The Euro took a tumble over recent years and is close to 1.1:1, 1 Euro = $1.10. Brexit affected the English Pound, not the Euro.

Doesn't the VIN-number clearly say it is a 1969 CB750K?

CB750 1969 VIN serial 100 0001 ~
CB750 K0 VIN serial 104 4826 -104 4947

What are the "F2" remarks referring to?
CB750 F2 (1977)  CB750  210 0011   this is not even close.

[754]

There is a G in both serial numbers..again note the G..
 Not a 69 , look at THE LETTER and the number..
 We dont use that series in N America, but it is used eksewhere.

[martin99]

Frank, you're spot-on with that mate and I stand corrected. I have deleted my previous ramble so as not to confuse the issue further.

[Terry in Australia]

It's actually a 1975 F0 Frame, with (if that numbers not a typo) a forged engine number. Only the Frames had the "G" in them, if the engine number is real, it won't be a "G".

[washryc]

Thanks again for all your input.

A quick update on the situation.
I messaged the seller 4 different times now. He has decided to not reply a single word and keep sending me the payment invoice.
He also opened what's called a unpaid case.

eBay staff has said to me that I need to work it out with seller, but eBay staff also sound like there is nothing seller can do as he has listed what could be an misleading advert if what I report is true.

The next thing is the seller will either keep sending me invoice or he cancel the sale and give me what's called a upside strike, meaning my 100% record will be damsged in the long run. I'm all fine with it as I only have 70 or so total purchases tho all 100% positive.

Anyways. Thanks again.

Also, again I'm new to this forum - is this a place where you guys would also know about the CB250 VIN numbers?
I'm in the process of now looking to check out a bike in Berlin, I have both engine and frame number in hand, but not able to find much on the engine number... Again, need help....

Thanks


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[ekpent]

  The seller should have the option of selling the bike to the back up bidder also which would only be a few bucks less for him. Pretty much nowadays here in the states the seller can get dinged on E-bay for bad feedback but buyers seems pretty much untouched.
  As for him going through a process it is also a way for him to be able to recoup his seller fees from E-bay, gotta jump through a few hoops though he does seem reluctant to accept defeat .

[MikeSimon]

advert if what I report is true.
 Also, again I'm new to this forum - is this a place where you guys would also know about the CB250 VIN numbers?
I'm in the process of now looking to check out a bike in Berlin, I have both engine and frame number in hand, but not able to find much on the engine number... Again, need help....

Thanks


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The guys from Europe can probably respond to this better. What CB250 exactly is it? We here in the U.S. did not have the CB250 Twin with the -286- product code. The only early comparable 250s were the CB/CL 72s Hawk and Scrambler in the 60s. Then we got a CB250 Nighthawk in 1991.
We had the sister model CB350 only from 1974 on.

[washryc]

advert if what I report is true.
 Also, again I'm new to this forum - is this a place where you guys would also know about the CB250 VIN numbers?
I'm in the process of now looking to check out a bike in Berlin, I have both engine and frame number in hand, but not able to find much on the engine number... Again, need help....

Thanks


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The guys from Europe can probably respond to this better. What CB250 exactly is it? We here in the U.S. did not have the CB250 Twin with the -286- product code. The only early comparable 250s were the CB/CL 72s Hawk and Scrambler in the 60s. Then we got a CB250 Nighthawk in 1991.
We had the sister model CB350 only from 1974 on.

Here's a post I made at another Honda forum in regards to the 250. No reply yet.

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A seller in Berlin is selling his 1976, what he says is a CB250G.

I was wondering if I can ask you guys, the people who knows these bikes, to see if the VIN checks out.

I am not able to find much info apart from the frame is one of the last G models, but I'm not 100% sure...

Would you kindly have a look for me and see if the engine and frame checks out to be original? I know Honda doesn't have the matching numbers as such, but I would at least like to know the bike is not a total mishmash bike ..

Engine CB250E 6034891
Frame CB250G 6522471

Here is the link https://m.mobile.de/motorrad-inserat/honda-cb-250-g-berlin/234675657.html?ref=srp

Thanks in advance.







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[BomberMann650]

Havent found any sohc4 honda's for sale out there?

[washryc]

There are a few, but I started my search on a 250 in the beginning, it is the bike I wanted tbh. I went up the engine size thinking it might also be a good idea, but if a nice 250 comes by, I won't say no.

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[MikeSimon]

At first glance, from what one can see in the pics, it looks O.K. I cannot 100% verify the serial numbers, but they seem legitimate.
It should be a six-speed (from 1974) Color is O.K. for year.

[washryc]

Yeah it is 6 speed according to the buyer.

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[754]

advert if what I report is true.
 Also, again I'm new to this forum - is this a place where you guys would also know about the CB250 VIN numbers?
I'm in the process of now looking to check out a bike in Berlin, I have both engine and frame number in hand, but not able to find much on the engine number... Again, need help....

Thanks


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The guys from Europe can probably respond to this better. What CB250 exactly is it? We here in the U.S. did not have the CB250 Twin with the -286- product code. The only early comparable 250s were the CB/CL 72s Hawk and Scrambler in the 60s. Then we got a CB250 Nighthawk in 1991.
We had the sister model CB350 only from 1974 on.

When the CB 350 came out, they also made an identical looking 250, it was probably not available in all markets....pretty scarce in N. America.

[MikeSimon]

  When the CB 350 came out, they also made an identical looking 250, it was probably not available in all markets....pretty scarce in N. America.

That's the one. CB250 Twin. Honda product code 286. Not sold in the U.S., officially.

[seanbarney41]

  When the CB 350 came out, they also made an identical looking 250, it was probably not available in all markets....pretty scarce in N. America.

That's the one. CB250 Twin. Honda product code 286. Not sold in the U.S., officially.

really looks like to me that the cb250 is the same as a cb360t in the U.S.  cb350k/g(68-74ish) are not the same as cb360t(74-76?ish).  They are both twins but totally different engines and yes the 360 had a six speed