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Another name for circlip
« on: January 23, 2017, 04:14:22 PM »
I'm trying to get a replacement for a circlip I had to remove when working on the alternator shaft on a bike.

Trouble is, looking for them ain't easy.

circlip - the kind without holes in them.  And not the kind you use for piston wrist pins.  Flat circlip.

I'm getting all sorts of hits for snap rings, snap ring pliers, but nothing on circlips.
Rob
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2017, 04:29:28 PM »
E-clip?
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2017, 04:31:48 PM »
"Jesus Christ Clips"

As in "Jesus Christ where did that clip go flying off to?"  :o

Often heard immediately after freeing said clip from its confines of the assembled position.  ;)


E-clip was going to be my next guess...  8)
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2017, 04:37:30 PM »
Mr. Clip? 

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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2017, 04:50:25 PM »
Jeeze guys!  No wonder I can't find them - no one knows what to call them.

Circlip
https://www.carid.com/images/wp/genuine/w01331742537oes.jpg

If it was an e-clip I could find them all day long.

Seems like the only circlips I can locate are for piston wrists - round profile, wrong type.
Rob
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2017, 04:54:57 PM »
Do you check the fiche for the part number?
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2017, 04:58:18 PM »
C-clip?
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2017, 05:10:31 PM »
Snap clip?
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2017, 05:11:12 PM »
I wish I could remember but Fastenal has an array of them
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2017, 05:12:51 PM »
TAMTF...


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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2017, 05:17:23 PM »
"Constant section/snap ring"
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2017, 05:33:05 PM »
hey there we go!

Just what I was looking for.

Constant Section snap ring.
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2017, 05:36:44 PM »
They are typically used to withstand higher thrust loads. I am used to seeing them in transmissions.
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Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2017, 05:51:14 PM »
The Honda OEM clip is junk, which is why I didn't just get it from Honda.  It most definitely has to take a thrust load - 6 heavy Belleville washers cushioning the drive gear for the starter and crankshaft chain.  Overdesigned in my opinion - but it works.

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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2017, 05:54:47 PM »
I think I have a tool for installing/removing that style of snap ring? I was told it was a snap ring tool, but never found it's proper use; it didn't work well with either e-clips or the snap rings with the holes on the ends.
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2017, 07:28:54 PM »
I'll tell you this - the proper tool ain't a screwdriver.  Tried that - have 2 stab wounds in my hand to prove it.

It's a circlip tool, but the ends are weird - ends of the snap ring fit into grooves on the tips of the snap ring tool.  Lets the tool grip the snap ring without it slipping out under tension.  I've never actually seen one - that's just my recollection.
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2017, 07:32:08 PM »
Just found the other name for them - Retaining ring
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 05:09:25 AM »
They are typically used to withstand higher thrust loads. I am used to seeing them in transmissions.

Thank you, I was trying to remember where did I see them before.
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Another name for circlip
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 05:21:02 AM »
Mr. Clip?

I like this one the best, haha.

Monsieur Clíp, right this way!

Edit: Or maybe the clip was knighted... Sir Clip.

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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 05:38:22 AM »
They are typically used to withstand higher thrust loads. I am used to seeing them in transmissions.

Thank you, I was trying to remember where did I see them before.

There are a couple of them in the CB750 tranny.
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 05:44:44 AM »
The 650 and I think 550 have them in the starter clutch assembly. I used snap ring pliers and it was a pain.

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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2017, 06:20:48 AM »
They are typically used to withstand higher thrust loads. I am used to seeing them in transmissions.

Thank you, I was trying to remember where did I see them before.

Yup, replaced them all when I was troubleshooting Red's shifting problems.

There are a couple of them in the CB750 tranny.
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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2017, 07:17:23 PM »
I think I have a tool for installing/removing that style of snap ring? I was told it was a snap ring tool, but never found it's proper use; it didn't work well with either e-clips or the snap rings with the holes on the ends.

People call these transmission pliers.  They are designed for the snap rings described in this thread.  I bought it when I rebuilt my first transmission over 30 years ago, a three speed in a Mustang.  This one is made by Proto and I think Snap-On has a similar one.  Note when the handles are squeezed the jaws stay parallel and the jaws have divots in them to hold the snap ring ends.  It works great.  A lot of front axles on 4X4's use those rings and this reaches right into the hub and makes removal and replacement a cinch.




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Re: Another name for circlip
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2017, 03:19:47 AM »
That reminds me the np435 i had to rebuild to replace the failed T5 in my jeep, it had these circlips too.

I ended up grinding cheap HF pliers to assist me in removal of those circlips.
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