Author Topic: CB 550/650 Daily (Read 41397 times)

flatlander · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2017, 04:48:44 AM »

uh cal i wish i had a sip of whatever that is in your glass! 50+ at the rear wheel is closer to the truth

and yes, +1mm in valves, 12600cam, 59mm 10:1 wiseco pistons, mike's stage 2.5 head.

bwaller · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2017, 05:02:01 AM »

50+ is realistic though. I have a 592 with a small Web, stock valves & carbs, and it's 51 @ the wheel. Very much fun to ride.

flatlander · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2017, 06:16:41 AM »

yes a 550 with around 50hp is nice. 60+ would be even nicer i'm sure, but that would take a much deeper dive into the bag of tricks. and the pocket.

bwaller · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:00:14 AM »

+1 indeed.

calj737 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:00:34 AM »

Quote from: flatlander on February 25, 2017, 04:48:44 AM

uh cal i wish i had a sip of whatever that is in your glass! 50+ at the rear wheel is closer to the truth

and yes, +1mm in valves, 12600cam, 59mm 10:1 wiseco pistons, mike's stage 2.5 head.

I believe I was recalling "at the crank" but perhaps I am confused. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.

I like an honest man.

RAFster122s · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:01:56 AM »

Brent is past that point (60+) on his race bike but that was with some very deep dives in development and investment over several seasons. Was it close to 70? It was a seriously large number for staying within the AHRMA rules for the 550.

The Webers have the ability to tap into the power potential of the motor much easier than the stock carbs.

David

Camrector · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:19:10 AM »

The $ per horsepower graph I just think would just be funny to see. The GE motor is a "605" with a 650 cam and mild porting, stock carbs, and a MGPwerks exhaust, Hondaman ignition. Less dollars
The 592 hi compression motor is 11.5 to 1 dynoman pistons, mike Reick stage 4 head, 126-20 cam, cr26 carbs, kinetic exhaust, c5 ignition. Big dollars
Then this one 650 motor, 674 pistons, Mike Reick stage 2.5 head, Yoshi 122-00 cam, 750 carbs, hindle exhaust, c5 ignition. Medium dollars.

Pretty sure we all know already, what the results will be, as to which will make the most.

bwaller · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2017, 08:40:05 AM »

It'll be interesting for you to pursue your $ per.... Don't get discouraged because there will be lots of tuning involved, but that's part of the process.

As is the case with all these engines there is power to be had from headwork. It'll be interesting to see how much better the 650 head is here even with a little work. A 3mm larger intake valve is a huge step and with similar cams......? Certainly the potential is larger with a 650 head. That said, I like the squish potential with the smaller chamber of the 550 head, it allows for much less spark lead.

I'll watch for this outcome, good luck.

Camrector · « **Reply #33 on:** February 25, 2017, 08:52:25 AM »

I'd almost expect to see similar number from the 592 motor and the 650 motor. But the difference being the 650 motor more street friendly. The 592 will be fun once I get out of town but I have to get out of town first lol.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2017, 09:36:19 AM »

Quote from: RAF122S on February 25, 2017, 04:21:29 AM

Wow Brent, didn't realize that would be a huge factor. In race apps like your bike you are probably at higher rpms than most riders would do and it is capable of higher revs due to nice blueprinting and balancing, and porting to crank out the numbers and perf of your bike.
I can see how a system could run out of steam unable to keep up or build sufficient spark or consistent spark to achieve the higher performance. Just never thought about it...

I've found that each time I've swapped from old points (even when adjusted) to a brand new electronic ignition, the bike runs immediately smoother.

Camrector · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2017, 01:02:24 PM »

Head off to Mike

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #36 on:** February 25, 2017, 05:32:27 PM »

Nice blasting. Now for the wizard of porting!

Camrector · « **Reply #37 on:** March 18, 2017, 11:35:19 AM »

So in keeping with the period correctness, and look of the bike I picked up this vintage Kerker cb650 4-2 exhaust. It'll be different than everyone's now "standard" Hindle pipe. It's in amazing shape, but a little elbow grease never hurt. I still have the Hindle header if I ever want to go 4-1, but this just has a better classic feel.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #38 on:** March 18, 2017, 11:42:19 AM »

Quote from: Camrector on March 18, 2017, 11:35:19 AM

So in keeping with the period correctness, and look of the bike I picked up this vintage Kerker cb650 4-2 exhaust. It'll be different than everyone's now "standard" Hindle pipe. It's in amazing shape, but a little elbow grease never hurt. I still have the Hindle header if I ever want to go 4-1, but this just has a better classic feel.

That's a nice find, Cam.

Camrector · « **Reply #39 on:** March 18, 2017, 12:03:59 PM »

Thanks Don. There isn't much period performance parts out there for the cb650.

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #40 on:** March 18, 2017, 12:56:55 PM »

Quote from: Camrector on March 18, 2017, 12:03:59 PM

Thanks Don. There isn't much period performance parts out there for the cb650.

Well, considering that models 1980-82 were lower-slung cruisers, there wasn't too much need or demand for hi po parts.

RAFster122s · « **Reply #41 on:** March 18, 2017, 01:31:13 PM »

Cam,

That is gorgeous!
Could you be so kind to post some detail pics of the mufflers/cans? Interested in the baffles.
Have a pair of megaphone Kerker 550 like yours (but no where near as nice) and I need to redo the baffles and they came disassembled and I may need to do some work on them...beyond putting in new fiberglass packing.
Thanks!

Quote from: Camrector on March 18, 2017, 11:35:19 AM

So in keeping with the period correctness, and look of the bike I picked up this vintage Kerker cb650 4-2 exhaust. It'll be different than everyone's now "standard" Hindle pipe. It's in amazing shape, but a little elbow grease never hurt. I still have the Hindle header if I ever want to go 4-1, but this just has a better classic feel.

Camrector · « **Reply #42 on:** March 18, 2017, 04:35:41 PM »

Hope this will help RAF

RAFster122s · « **Reply #43 on:** March 18, 2017, 08:39:13 PM »

Cam,
Thanks! that is helpful...appreciate your taking the time and effort to do this.
David

Camrector · « **Reply #44 on:** April 01, 2017, 07:50:31 AM »

Some engine progress. Painted the cases and bore job is complete! Just need the head!

Camrector · « **Reply #45 on:** April 01, 2017, 07:54:55 AM »

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #46 on:** April 01, 2017, 08:04:42 AM »

Thats Very Nice! I have a 550 Kerker Megaphone that sound great even with the megaphone off.

Camrector · « **Reply #47 on:** April 01, 2017, 08:44:16 AM »

Thanks Steve! Excited to hear this Kerker 4-2 as well!

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2017, 10:24:46 AM »

This train is chugging along.

I was thinking of the nickname Daily, and how fortunate we are in SoCal to not have to deal with a real Winter. Now that the thaw is ON, you have all the more incentive to get projects out on the road. We (in SoCal) are spoiled and maybe that's why my projects drag out (I get distracted riding running bikes on the weekends).

SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2017, 12:17:03 PM »

Cam,

Did you split the cases or do anything with the bottom end?

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Author Topic: CB 550/650 Daily (Read 41397 times)