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Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« on: February 15, 2017, 07:40:16 pm »
Has anybody used this product?

https://cognitomoto.com/products/cb750-air-intake-box-sohc-and-dohc?variant=11585137729

truth be told, I switched to pods and, while I was mostly pleased, the first heavy rain demonstrated the problem with exposed filters such as these.

Anyway I'm asking whether anyone has tried this air box to know how the air flow might compare with using the pods to know whether I'd be able to switch without replacing my main jets...again.

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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 07:35:11 am »
+1, interested in getting feedback on this as well.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 07:42:30 am »
How about a sweet shroud, like this one by cqyqte
Okay let me set this situation up.  Yesterday was extremely windy in my area but that did stop me and a mate from going for a rip on the bikes.  My CB750 hardtail has keyhole '77 carbs and pods and have yet to display less than perfect performance, except for yesterday!  The wind gust created a flutter at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle range, which was controllable but being anal I cannot live with it.  On the way out as well as the return trip heavy winds showed that the set up was not perfect.  I didn't sleep well last night as thoughts of dismantling and fussing with needle position plagued me until I finally managed to drift off.  About 3 o'clock I woke and had one of those light bulb moments sparked by something I had read in a thread on a forum, something about someone running pods with a tube/sleave arrangement.  A few more hours of hashing out how to's and I woke with and idea to make an aluminum oblong shroud that work protect the filters from cross wind and turbulence coming off the engine cases at speed.

After breakfast I ran to the hardware store and purchased a small roll of flashing aluminum and started to fab up the image I had in my mind.  Two hours of measuring cutting, folding and bending I fitted my idea around the carb pods, looks were high on the must haves.









Once anchored and checked for secureness I fired her up, and yes today is just as windy if not worse.  I have a test circuit that heads in all the compass points with flats, confined areas and those nasty open spots that harbour those killer side blasts that sometimes feel as if they can extinguish the internal combustion spark by themselves.  From 0 to 150kph not a flutter, not even when I open my knees to the breeze which the day before would have cause the bike to fall flat on its face if I didn't shift and find a different rev range to compensate.  I can't say it is perfect yet as I have to do some further testing in several conditions and perform the all important plug chops to say FIXED!

But as of now, it out for more riding... the sun is shining  8)
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 10:12:11 am »
Super! I had a vision of something like this but wasn't sure what I'd use that wouldn't require any fancy tooling. the flashing is easy enough to work with that this should be relatively simple to execute. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 09:46:05 am »
I wish he would have shown the carburetor side of his shroud.  Did he make a plate and drill holes?

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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2017, 10:18:55 pm »
Hey @hman0217, mine's on order right now for my CB550. I'll let you know how it goes once I install it!

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 05:19:07 pm »
Yes, please anyone with the Cognito breadbox, please post up how it runs.
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 12:01:33 am »
Does anyone here run the Steel Dragon Performance airbox? Looks just like the Cognito, but half the price. Just wondering as the quality on those looks great. It seems they also provide customer feedback as far as proper tuning for jets from what worked for customers. I also like that you can order a long box or 2 smaller ones. Gives you some choices.

http://www.steeldragonperformance.com

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 03:00:26 am »
Same site has a complete bike for sale. (with pods though)
https://cognitomoto.com/products/1974-cb750

About weather and pods. I had no problem during the 80's driving in heavy rain almost all day long on Autobahn in higher speed. The rain like real shower and difficult to see anything, especially when passing long trucks that splashed extra. Not even a hesitation, only a stable scream from the loud 4-1.
Maybe my legs with rain trousers over leather suit and boots covered up for the pods, the small conical version. Bike had no fairing either.
The photo below how bike looked like back then.  I added a later photo to show the pods closer.
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2017, 11:59:45 am »
I have a Steel Dragon air box on my 1976 CB550F.  I had to increase the main jet one larger size because it ran way to lean.  After the larger jet I also fashioned a strip of very thin metal around the outside edges of the air box.  I had every intention of going one more size up on the main jet... but it has been running so well I have not messed with it since!

I also just order one for my CB400F.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2017, 02:53:26 pm »
Do you have any pics? Did you go with the long or 2 piece box? At a fraction of the cost it might be the way I go. SDP also said they had customer supplies jetting which is a helpful starting point.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 01:38:26 am »
Hey @hman0217, mine's on order right now for my CB550. I'll let you know how it goes once I install it!

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2017, 01:55:41 am »
Same site has a complete bike for sale. (with pods though)
https://cognitomoto.com/products/1974-cb750

About weather and pods. I had no problem during the 80's driving in heavy rain almost all day long on Autobahn in higher speed. The rain like real shower and difficult to see anything, especially when passing long trucks that splashed extra. Not even a hesitation, only a stable scream from the loud 4-1.
Maybe my legs with rain trousers over leather suit and boots covered up for the pods, the small conical version. Bike had no fairing either.
The photo below how bike looked like back then.  I added a later photo to show the pods closer.

Yeah Pewe, there's lots of "anti-pod" talk here and always has been, but I've still got the old K&N's I bought for my first K1 in 1980, and I really can't tell any difference between them and my stock airbox, apart from the fact that they breathe better, so need bigger jets.

Now I don't get the kind of sh1tty weather that you do, but I rode that bike every day in any weather for 4 years, and my biggest issue when it rained was the plug leads earthing to the frame, and causing it to miss and fart, but I never had a problem with the K&N's. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2017, 08:41:46 am »
I have both the Steel Dragon and Cognito airboxes. The steel dragon is on my ladies cb550" Gentlemen's Express". Runs fantastic with proper jetting. I actually had to go down a main and pilot jet due to boring to 605cc. Bigger vacuum.
The only issue I have with the Steel dragon box is the tiny tiny connecting bolts to the carb body intakes. A pain in the butt.
The Cognito Box is very nice and the attachement points are one single larger bolt.
Havent run it yet, but soon on my bored and ported cb650

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2017, 09:46:28 am »
Same site has a complete bike for sale. (with pods though)
https://cognitomoto.com/products/1974-cb750

About weather and pods. I had no problem during the 80's driving in heavy rain almost all day long on Autobahn in higher speed. The rain like real shower and difficult to see anything, especially when passing long trucks that splashed extra. Not even a hesitation, only a stable scream from the loud 4-1.
Maybe my legs with rain trousers over leather suit and boots covered up for the pods, the small conical version. Bike had no fairing either.
The photo below how bike looked like back then.  I added a later photo to show the pods closer.

Yeah Pewe, there's lots of "anti-pod" talk here and always has been, but I've still got the old K&N's I bought for my first K1 in 1980, and I really can't tell any difference between them and my stock airbox, apart from the fact that they breathe better, so need bigger jets.

Now I don't get the kind of sh1tty weather that you do, but I rode that bike every day in any weather for 4 years, and my biggest issue when it rained was the plug leads earthing to the frame, and causing it to miss and fart, but I never had a problem with the K&N's. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Maybe some bikes get bad aerodynamics behind engine and around pods or wrong jets that will fit air box better?  Or carb dependent, some carbs might work bad with pods. Not my K6 std carbs. No alternative with Mikuni VM29  or Mikuni TMR32. The latter has good flow due to the filter adapter that look like a short velocity stack.

The air box this thread started with look very cool. I understand that some want that design on their bikes.
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2017, 10:38:34 am »
The Cognito Box is very nice and the attachement points are one single larger bolt.
Havent run it yet, but soon on my bored and ported cb650

What's boring about your over-bored and ported CB650.   ;) And since when did you decide to overbore?  I thought you were going to keep it stock displacement for a season.  That probably went out the window with porting!
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2017, 11:10:36 am »
The Cognito Box is very nice and the attachement points are one single larger bolt.
Havent run it yet, but soon on my bored and ported cb650

What's boring about your over-bored and ported CB650.   ;) And since when did you decide to overbore?  I thought you were going to keep it stock displacement for a season.  That probably went out the window with porting!


lol I believe your reply to that post was "In for a penny, in for a pound!" 674cc

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 01:51:54 pm »
I like it, being as period breadboxes don't grow on trees, but I wouldn't pay $224 to have their branding on it. I might pay that if it was a clean symmetrical top with no branding or advertising on it. I'm doing another restoration before I do anything different, so it's not in the cards in the near future either way.

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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2017, 03:03:26 pm »
The Cognito Box is very nice and the attachement points are one single larger bolt.
Havent run it yet, but soon on my bored and ported cb650

What's boring about your over-bored and ported CB650.   ;) And since when did you decide to overbore?  I thought you were going to keep it stock displacement for a season.  That probably went out the window with porting!


lol I believe your reply to that post was "In for a penny, in for a pound!" 674cc

Ah! That's right.  Momentary memory lapse.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2017, 03:04:43 pm »
I like it, being as period breadboxes don't grow on trees, but I wouldn't pay $224 to have their branding on it. I might pay that if it was a clean symmetrical top with no branding or advertising on it. I'm doing another restoration before I do anything different, so it's not in the cards in the near future either way.

I bet if you wanted it plain Jane, Devin would do it for you.  He's made me 2 sets of custom triple trees and included me in a prototype wheel hub run.
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2017, 03:44:36 pm »

Maybe some bikes get bad aerodynamics behind engine and around pods or wrong jets that will fit air box better?  Or carb dependent, some carbs might work bad with pods. Not my K6 std carbs.

Nah, I think it's the leather chaps that our American cousins wear Pewe, they work like air dams that funnel wind into the outside pods, creating a lean condition, and causing their bikes to miss and fart. ;D
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2017, 06:36:28 pm »
I am running the Steel Dragon unit on my 1974 cb550.  I would agree that the small set screws that mount to the carb body are a PITA but the unit is first class. I had the TinTop "AntiPod" unit but had issues with fitment with the side covers. This fits better but is difficult to install!

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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2017, 06:58:30 pm »
I think that I'm gonna build a roadrace airbox when I make up my 350F... ;)
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Re: Cognito Moto Aluminum Billet Air Box
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2017, 09:46:49 am »
I also run the Steel Dragon airboxes on my 750. I have the dual setup. To deal with rain I disassembled the boxes and added some strips of aluminum flashing in between the front and back plates to cover up the tops and part of the sides.

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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2017, 02:31:47 am »
I like it, being as period breadboxes don't grow on trees, but I wouldn't pay $224 to have their branding on it. I might pay that if it was a clean symmetrical top with no branding or advertising on it.
Odd. How many products do you actually own that do not have a manufacturer's brand on it somewhere? I'm sure Devin would produce you a unit sans logo, but I see nothing unusual with their practice of branding custom products.
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