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Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« on: March 10, 2017, 10:56:05 AM »
Hi, the season is about to start (Scandinavia). Last season my carbs were troubling me with suddenly running to rich then running fine. Then going rich, then going fine.
I've bought a rebuild kit for all 4 now, and the carbs will get an ultra sound cleaning. The only thing i cant figure out / google / find on this forum. Is the size of the jets i should be using on my setup. It is a stock CB400F with the marshall deeptone exhaust. (no pods, just the old airbox).

Do you know what size i should be using / reusing from my old carbs hence its probably the float system that is worn?

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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 11:42:47 AM »
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Last season my carbs were troubling me with suddenly running to rich then running fine. Then going rich, then going fine.
First a few checks. Do fuellines have the standard length and diameter and are they correctly routed without kinks?
Any inline fuelfilters present that may hinder fuelflow? Remove them, you don't need them. It's a known cause for poor fuel delivery. Some are lucky however.
Tank ventilation in order?
Sometimes floatvalve needles stick on and off. An additive like Tunap or Forté can work miracles.
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I've bought a rebuild kit for all 4 now
Most probably you won't need it and if it is an aftermarket brand like Keyster, I'd stick to the original brassware that hardly wears if at all. That's no wonder btw, if you realise how little gas has passed all in all in just a 400cc motor with no less than 4 carbs.
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The only thing i cant figure out / google / find on this forum. Is the size of the jets i should be using on my setup. It is a stock CB400F with the marshall deeptone exhaust. (no pods, just the old airbox).
Stick to original size*. Back then Marshall advertised that no rejetting was required.
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hence its probably the float system that is worn?
I doubt it, I'd start with the above checks. Just replacing things without diagnose will not learn you anything.
Your carbs are pretty easy to work on. If I were you, I wouldn't separate them from the rack. I would only remove the float bowls and you'll have access to practically all brassware. Clogged or partially clogged slow jets often occur and slow jets openings on your model are very small indeed. After removing the main jets (are those tiny O-rings still Ok and do they seal well?) raise the slides to full open (just imitate full throttle) and you can get the needle jets out from underneath. Either they drop by themselves or they need a little help by inserting a wooden toothpick or something from underneath. You can then wiggle them out. Carefully inspect all jets, slow jets in particular. If necessary you can clean them with stranded copper wire.I wouldn't mess with the needles and I wouldn't mess with the floattangs to 'adjust' the float level. Checking is fine, but think twice before you change something. Most probably no one has ever touched them, so they should be OK. What you could do however, is polish very lightly the float swivel pins so they'll allow smooth movement of the floats. Remember: ultrasonic is no guarantee.
* The CB400F parts list lists no less than three different sizes for both slow and main jets. Consult: http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac400/CB400F-F1-F2/CB400F-F1-F2.pdf
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2017, 01:06:47 PM »
i had a deeptone marchall on my 400..use stock airfilter and brazz parts..
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2017, 01:18:26 PM »
Nice bike, Strynboen, although I doubt those handlebars were very comfortable.
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2017, 01:56:10 PM »
Well, as the carbs are currently. I have ridden probably 6k kilometers. It's only been bothering me for the last 200 km's. So somethings gone bad, the repair kit's quality is rather questionable (cheap). It's my city commuter/ college transportation for the time being. So if the bad kit only last's 2 more years, then it's mission accomplished. After graduation i't will  be restored completely (not possible with current college funds). The haynes manual describes that a ridge will be made in the float needle after time. That specific ridge i most definitely see. I am fairly certain that something regarding at least one of the floats is broken, of all the symptoms i see, i can relate to the syndroms of a "stuck float". I appreciate the answer :), even though the price for the entire kit is already paid. But i enjoy assembling it anyway (Lego for me). At last i will check for punctured floats (of course in a bowl of gas). Again thanks, for the long and helpful answer.
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
Nice bike, Strynboen, although I doubt those handlebars were very comfortable.
i have dropped it.(.first i did)for a set( euro bars) as they call them over there.. thomaseli..nice crome..and not expensive...and give me komfordtabel ride.the bags go on the 550..400 is to veak to ride full pack ..550 does it så mutch better..150 cc make a komplet different bike..but still the 400 is probly the most perfekted deseined bike of all sohc. have a perfekt look for a 1976 made bike..its still look modern..but not too modern
have mounted the orginal exh system..on the last Photo..it did not thange anything...
but back to topic..if the fuel tank are just the smallest rusted the carbs vill keep floting one day,,and NeXT day lean aut ..no vay to find a red line in it..so klean all up once more..is the only vay to kill the problems..and no inline filters..they make more problems then they help..if the tank is total klean..there is no need for them anyvay..(even if you like them)
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2017, 03:52:31 PM »
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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2017, 03:57:06 PM »
I have a 350f with a 400f carb and exhaust - stock headers and an open pipe. I'm running the stock pilot jet, needle clip location and one main jet size over-stock for the 350, which I think is the normal 400f jetting.

Given that the 400f came with a 4-1, I'm betting the stock jetting is real close to perfect for your setup.


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Re: Jet sizes for marshall deeptone (stock cb400F)
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 03:57:50 PM »
And +1 to the people who said ONLY use keihin/OEM carb parts. Keyster and other brands are junk.


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