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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #150 on: July 06, 2017, 12:32:58 PM »
You mentioned in an earlier post you did not find it to be a comfortable ride.  At the end of the day it is a sport bike not a couch.  When I first get back on my RC it takes me a few rides before I can go on a distance ride.  If you ride it enough you will get use to it.  I had no issues going on a week long vacation on my bike.  The only thing I was not crazy about was having the rads below my  knees on those hot days.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #151 on: July 06, 2017, 01:22:17 PM »
Yes I agree. I had not really ridden anything for about 1 year, other than the S90, because the CB was being rebuilt again...now that I am back on the road, it might be time. And the fact it was not sold could mean it was meant to be  :)
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #152 on: July 06, 2017, 01:35:38 PM »
Since you are still thinking about it and it is available you know what to do next.... ;)

I am sure you won't regret it.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #153 on: July 06, 2017, 01:45:04 PM »
Buy it mate, Honda aren't making any more of them........ ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #154 on: July 06, 2017, 03:25:04 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on July 06, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Buy it mate, Honda aren't making any more of them........ ;D

You can also put on some other types of clip-ons
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #155 on: July 06, 2017, 05:19:50 PM »
Quote from: grcamna2 on July 06, 2017, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: Terry in Australia on July 06, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Buy it mate, Honda aren't making any more of them........ ;D

You can also put on some other types of clip-ons

If your back and wrists can handle it, it's an amazing bike, but it's not meant to be comfortable or quick in tight stuff.  It is meant to be part of the haul ass club.

They used to make Heli-bars for them. 

As another extreme: The bartender at the Rock Store rides the rattiest 916 with risers and a handlebar -- and he rips -- but the bike looks goofy as hell.
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #156 on: July 06, 2017, 05:48:12 PM »
I must say I spend more time looking at mine than I do riding it, it is a very special bike..... ;D
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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2017, 07:00:59 PM »
Looking and listening to that motor are my favorites


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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #158 on: July 06, 2017, 08:18:51 PM »
Quote from: innovativems on July 06, 2017, 07:00:59 PM
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Especially with a less restrictive than stock exhaust.
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« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2017, 02:57:20 AM »
I don't think mine is OEM............. ;D

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2017, 04:17:05 AM »
Great looking rc Terry.  And sohc fan mine here is the pipes on my old girl.  Still need to paint it.


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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #161 on: July 07, 2017, 09:22:14 AM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on July 07, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
I don't think mine is OEM............. ;D

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Terry,

Is your RC51-SP1 sporting a 2-1 header?  Looks like it from the photo.

I love the Colin Edwards bodywork.  Was the bike originally red (gas tank)?
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2017, 04:47:33 PM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on July 07, 2017, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Terry in Australia on July 07, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
I don't think mine is OEM............. ;D

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Terry,

Is your RC51-SP1 sporting a 2-1 header?  Looks like it from the photo.

I love the Colin Edwards bodywork.  Was the bike originally red (gas tank)?

G'Day mate, yep it's a 2 into 1 system, and makes a great sound. I was ratting thru some boxes of stuff recently and I found a NOS Moriwaki muffler that I'll eventually install to quieten it down a little, but (apart from the noise) that shorty muffler works really well.

Sadly the guy I got it from wasn't able to tell me much about it? I imagine that if I posted a pic on the RC51 site I'd probably find out all about it, someone's spent a lot of money on it, looking at all the race mods. The tank has a little rash on the top left side, nothing too horrible, but if I can eventually find another undamaged tank I'll get it painted in the same livery as the rest of the bike. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #163 on: July 08, 2017, 07:36:29 AM »
If I had known when I sold my RC51, I would have sold you my undamaged spare tank (but shipping would have been a PITA).  I had "designs" on changing the bodywork over to Colin Edwards replica but I couldn't find a quality source for the bodywork (just Chinese ill-fitting junk) and I really wanted an unobtainium undertail exhaust like on the AMA and WSKB bikes.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #164 on: July 09, 2017, 07:52:08 AM »
The RC51 is a nice bike. I have a 2000 the 33rd bike off the production line. It has about 3,500 miles on it. I read the first 50 or so had the engines assembled by 1 technician (this has not been substantiated by Honda). The upper case on early 51's being autographed by a tech has been substantiated . I think I bought the last OEM fuel tank from Honda too.
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« Reply #165 on: July 09, 2017, 05:30:24 PM »
Nice, mine's #161, but I've no idea how many were made in 2000? A guy on the RC51 forums in the US has #2, and has been told that it's the earliest in existence. I've had a bit of a look around and it appears that many early ones have survived, and some have done some pretty big mileage too. ;D
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« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2017, 10:17:57 PM »
The stock pipes are a little sedate.  You can hear the whine of the gear-driven cams under the rumble of the exhaust.  But put on a set of new exhaust cans or full headers, and it sounds beautiful and burly.
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« Reply #167 on: July 10, 2017, 01:28:15 AM »
Yeah, the stock pipes are pretty restrictive, there's a vid on youtube of a guy with just aftermarket cans getting 133.7 Rear Wheel BHP on the dyno. That's 15.7 BHP more than the stock bike's claimed RWHP. ;D
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« Reply #168 on: July 10, 2017, 05:47:54 PM »
I would have loved to have the Sato high mounts or the unobtainium underseat Ti system.  I had Leo Vince pipes on mine and it sounded incredible. 
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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« Reply #169 on: July 12, 2017, 05:22:05 AM »
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on July 10, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
I would have loved to have the Sato high mounts or the unobtainium underseat Ti system.  I had Leo Vince pipes on mine and it sounded incredible.
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« Reply #170 on: July 12, 2017, 08:58:12 AM »
Quote from: MRieck on July 12, 2017, 05:22:05 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on July 10, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
I would have loved to have the Sato high mounts or the unobtainium underseat Ti system.  I had Leo Vince pipes on mine and it sounded incredible.
That's what is on mine

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #171 on: July 12, 2017, 09:36:11 AM »
Quote from: grcamna2 on July 12, 2017, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: MRieck on July 12, 2017, 05:22:05 AM
Quote from: SOHC4 Cafe Racer Fan on July 10, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
I would have loved to have the Sato high mounts or the unobtainium underseat Ti system.  I had Leo Vince pipes on mine and it sounded incredible.
That's what is on mine

pics or it didn't happen  ;D

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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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« Reply #172 on: July 12, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
Very nice Don  8)  8) :) Did you ever try that bike on the track ?!
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« Reply #173 on: July 12, 2017, 12:18:18 PM »
Quote from: grcamna2 on July 12, 2017, 10:55:54 AM
Very nice Don  8)  8) :) Did you ever try that bike on the track ?!

Sadly no.  Just my beater:

004_zps704ac65b by Donald Leonhardt, on Flickr

005_zps28a334aa by Donald Leonhardt, on Flickr

003_zpsa511bc69 by Donald Leonhardt, on Flickr

006_zpsb83d84f7 by Donald Leonhardt, on Flickr
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1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

Offline grcamna2

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Re: RC51 or CBR1000RR
« Reply #174 on: July 12, 2017, 01:15:38 PM »
Good looking Suzuki  :)
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75' CB400F/'bunch o' parts' & 81' CB125S modded to a 'CB200S'
  I love the small ones too !
Do your BEST...nobody can take that away from you.
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