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Wykydtron

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How much should I charge?
« on: December 13, 2006, 02:12:28 PM »
A co-worker of mine wants me to give his cb750 Hondamatic a full tune up.  Valve clearance/cam chain adjusted, points cleaned up(replaced if necessary), timing set, carbs dismantled/cleaned/reasembled and finally adjusted and synced.  He asked me how much to do all this and I said I'd log my hours and charge him by the hour.  I've never taken any of my bikes to the shop(except for tire changes) so I dont know how much they generally charge by hour.  I'd charge him less than a shop would for sure, but what would be a fair price?  $20 per hour seem reasonable? 

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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 02:48:20 PM »
At the mechanic I took my bike to last year (which I'll never do again), he charged $100 for the tune up and $100 for the carb clean/synch/etc.  Just some info.

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 03:29:33 PM »
Let me tell you a story about working for friends. I'm taking a year off and a few months ago a friend asked me if I knew a shop so he can have a Bluetooth handsfree installed in his and his wife's car. He told me the device was not original from the car brand and the shops wouldn't take it. I told him I could do it and would charge less than the shop. He is a coworker of mine so he knows how detailed I am for the work, so we agreed.

I didn't want to make a lousy job so I did everything as if I would have done it in my own car. Remove linings, not doing a single drill or glue so you can always deinstall and leave everything as it was. The stereo was fitted with the car and didn't have the tel mute wire or the audio in, so I spent a couple hours surfing the net trying to find the pinout. I finally succeeded, and by then I had spent almost a full day 6-7 hours and I was starting to think what lousy deal I just made.

My test CD won't eject, so I opened the stereo and I don't know what the hell I did, that even after my long experience in electronics I did a short somewhere and a transistor started to smoke. It blew to the extent that the name was illegible and I couldn't replace it. Now the CD won't work anymore, but will the radio.

I returned the car to him explaining everything. No problem, he is very understanding. I promised to find out what the transistor was and replance, and one month later I've been unable after having posted in many forums asking people to make a picture of their stereo.

Even if that didn't happen, how much should I've charged? I believe 30 euro for experienced electronic technician is a fair price. That would have meant 180 euro, almost double than the device alone.

Now let's forget about the time consumed and think about how much would be fair. For that device, 30-40 euro would be a fair price. That would mean making 6 euro an hour, even less that what I pay to the woman who comes home and do the ironing, cleaning etc. And you don't even have to go to university for that...

But, even worst, if I can't repair his stereo I feel obliged to buy him a new -second hand- one. And even if I repair it, I don't feel like accepting money from him.


So, what was the lessons lern?

a) NEVER ever offer to do something to friends or relatives again.

b) If they ask for help, do it only when it is either 1) a 5-minute deal or 2) urgent and nobody else available.

c) If you do help, don't accept money or you will be accepting responsability and "implied warranties".


but finally, if for some reason you accept the job, do it as I did, like if it was for yourself. Do it the best you can do and don't think about how much time you are putting on it and how much should it be paid. You don't think about money when you do it for yourself, so don't do it for your friends or relatives.



I once was in the other side of the story, taking my car to be painted after a slight crash to one of my brother's best friend shop. I was not satisfied with the outcome, and could have done it repeated as it was my insurance company paying and I had to sign the acceptance. But I didn't want to offend my brother's friend and I had to leave with the impression I was stupid. Lesson learned: take your business to people with good reputation, but without personal relationship to you so you can fight for your rights if the going gets though.


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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 03:33:32 PM »
If he pays you to do the work, are you willing to assume liablility for the work?
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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 03:36:18 PM »
 ??? ???

     Besides possible emotional liabilities and responsibilities........

     I don't know what the money scoop is in the rest of the country, but in Phoenix, a complete tune up on an "old" Honda 750 runs from $250 to $350 smackers..........

     Due to banker problems, I've gotten to where I try to do everything myself....... :P :P

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2006, 06:16:18 PM »
Just my two cents here but the way I usually work for my friends (or when they help me depending on the situation) is they buy the beer and I bring the knowledge. The deal being that for the most part I will walk them through it...the bonus here is that now they know and won't be knocking on my door 3 weeks from now once something else goes wrong...also that way I don't feel like a heel when I ask them for a favour later...

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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 06:21:12 PM »
I also don't mind doing work for friends as long as they are present when i do. They can just hang out, have a cold one and hand me tools if they want, but at least they get a chance to see the time, effort, thought, parts, miscellaneous oils, rags, WD-40, etc. that went into the job.

That way they are far less likely to come after you blaming you a week later that their battery is fried - when all you did was change oil!

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2006, 06:34:32 PM »
Actually that kind of makes things a little different in my mind...the generation gap part I mean. I would be even less likely to charge him...I am a fairly young guy too at 31 and have found that in general they have far more to offer than we do. My neighbour is about 68 or so and I have done a bunch of work for him like brakes etc. Mostly stuff he could actually do himself still if he hadn't buggered up his knees...That guy has taught me a ton! Even little tips and tricks. He has never rode a day in his life but helped me work out some electrical problems on my K8 for me as he has a ton of electrical experience...best part is he doesn't drink so it's like "free" compared to my drinking buddies who blow through a dozen just for dropping by!

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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2006, 06:34:40 PM »
A friends shop rate is $40/HR.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 12:37:06 AM »
the 2 shops around here charge 50+100 an hour respectively

not sure how much i would charge to do it,  i usually am a sucker and volunteer to fix things for free


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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 01:13:04 AM »
the 2 shops around here charge 50+100 an hour respectively

not sure how much i would charge to do it,  i usually am a sucker and volunteer to fix things for free


RKS

Just an appreciation, shops have to pay for rent, electricity, water, taxes etc. That should be considered before giving the quote.


I'm also a sucker and always volunteer. I hate myself when people come at me asking for advice and I jump in like a novice. I always tell to myself "next time wait for this bastard to ask for a favour, if he is so proud and can't ask for help then the worst for him, don't make him the taks easy" but at the end I always have pity. I wonder what will they think: "this sucker is fixing this for me and I'm saving the money.


There are some people I know very well they are only my friends when they need my help; the rest of the time they just forget I exist. Sometimes I would like not to be able to do anything, even when I have to pay for everything, I would be much happier. Anyway, I've decided I'm not going to help ungrateful people anymore, because no matter how many times you help them, they will only remember the only time you didn't. As the proverb says, "do 100 favours and don't make one, and it will be like if you neved did any"

I have been fixing things in my appartment block for several years, always for free because I didn't want anybody thinking I was making money out of my neighbours. But at the end people is ungrateful, I spend my time -and money most of the times- and they don't give a damn. So what I'm doing from some time now is to charge less than a worker would do, and then donate it to different NGO and give back the receipt. That way I don't feel like an stupid, because my work doesn't go to my neighbours but for some causes I deem just, and I can't be accussed of making money out of my neighbours because I don't.


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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2006, 01:21:57 AM »
Most people I help are appreciative and grateful, 

i just enjoy hearing the praise for knowing how to fix things that arent that hard to fix but I know how and they don't (if you know what i mean)

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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2006, 01:43:52 AM »
Most people I help are appreciative and grateful, 

i just enjoy hearing the praise for knowing how to fix things that arent that hard to fix but I know how and they don't (if you know what i mean)

RKS



I know very well what you mean. It used to boost my ego in the past, but not anymore. Most of that appraisal is just empty flattery to make sure you leave happy so they can count on you.


For some time I have followed Scott Adam's advice: "Some people get upset when you deny your help, so it's much better to say you will and then you don't. It will look like if you are terribly busy so the ball will be on their court to be unpolite and repeatedly ask for your help. You have to keep saying you will and never doing anything until either they fix their things or they call somebody else".


I hate when people that normally don't phone or email you, do it and start by saying very friendly how is everything, it's been a long time etc. I generally expect how long it takes for them to slyly put the subject. I hate that, they portray as snakes. When I have to ask for a favour, I just go and say: "Hey what's up, how are you doing? Listen, I need a favour from you". It's much more honest and nothing happens by admitting we need help. Seems that in this world, where people is trying hard to look successful, asking for help is like admiting defeat. I hate that.



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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2006, 01:56:42 AM »
agreed, cut the small talk and get to the point

time is money and all that

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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2006, 08:05:22 AM »
I charge about £10 per hour to include travelling time/cost but i wont buy parts without the cash first!
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Re: How much should I charge?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2006, 10:42:11 AM »
If he pays you to do the work, are you willing to assume liablility for the work?

If it were just an engine tune-up I'd probably charge $100. But no way would I work on anybody else's running gear (Forks, wheels, bearings, brakes,etc.) for money without insurance. I'm no lawyer, but I understand as soon as money enters into things, liability goes waaaaay up in today's sue-happy sciety.
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