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CX500. Opinions?
« on: April 13, 2017, 11:54:12 AM »
Hello everyone
So my sister is looking at getting her first bike and she has her sights on a 1980 CX500. She would use it for around the city commuting and visiting famiy (thats 1+ hours in the saddle for family visits) wondered if you had any thoughts/experience with it etc.


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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2017, 01:48:31 PM »
The honda-guzzi is a sound machine. 

There is a later model year of the cx's that had some improved performance and reliability.  Part of honda's silverwing improvement campaign.

Also had a turbo charged model in the line up for a while.  Heard legend that a turbo cx was a sleeping demon. 


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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2017, 02:02:50 PM »
I have no experience other than riding w/ duanob....he likes his  8)
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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 02:11:19 PM »
I have a '81 Silverwing GL500 that's a great ride. I prefer the GLs to the early CXs for the air suspension and dual front disks but I'm a crotchety, old man. It'll make great first bikes first bike for her.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2017, 02:28:33 PM »
CX500 is great bike and reliable once sorted.  They can be fairly boring and take just a bit of getting used to its top heaviness as  it isn't bad, just takes getting used to the high center of gravity.  I am ebarassed to say I dropped mine the first day I had it. Coming off the trailer by a bike hauler and I ran out of gas on way to gas station.  I pulled to curb and made the rookie mistake of putting my foot down below pegs on right as I edged up to the curb.  I didn't leave enough room and ended up dropping it on its side with me astride. Friend was following me home and  I was shuttling bike home  to return with him to work to collect my car.   Many are inevitably going to drop your bike once the first year. So, got that out of my system. :D

Very easy bike to work on.
Join the CX500  forums, there are some great resources there, including things to inspect before buying.

Stator failures are common on the early CDI bikes, upgrading to later G46? stator gives you more power and there are several CDI replacement options besides oem ( not recommended).  Ray-san, Ignitech, and one other I think.  Replacing water pump seal, timing chain and stator are referred to as Triple Bypass.
Motorera.com probably tells when CDI went to TI ignition system.  The GL bikes are nice as well and naked Silverwing ( GL500 )  have upgraded stator and TI I think from start.  The GL is a bit different styling.  Putting an electric fan in in place of the direct drive on end of camshaft is recommended.  The fan needs inspected regularly as they are prone to cracking at root, used electric fan from a recent sport bike several spec'd in thread will give you peace of mind and you can put a thermostatic switch as well as a override switch to turn on all the time if in stop and go traffic.
GL has lower seat height if inseam challenged.  Tank is different profile and she might not like them.
The GL-500 Interstate came with twin caliper dual disc, so the right fork leg from that model can benefit you.  The other brake upgrade, because brakes suck just like stock cb550, is to put the 80+ dual piston caliper on at least one side, run sintered pads and get short mount bracket like the cb750 fork legs in I think 77-78 have where it can fit that as a bolt up upgrade as well. Naturally braided stainless teflon lines like is recommended for the sohc4s is another good upgrade.

Not a ton of work to boost performance unless you get Murray Feldman in NC to rebuild a 500 or better yet a 650 motor for you.  He developed a CC increase and with head work, a Mikuni carb and it becomes a much faster and torquey motor.  The CX650 has one of the worst seats out there according to many as it was a cx650 C ( custom) config 1 year only. The GL650 though is worth the dough even if you strip a Silverwing Interstate to make it a naked bike.
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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2017, 02:30:27 PM »
I have driven an S90, CB350F, 1979 Cx500 and a CB750.
I was very very not impressed with the CX500...it just wasn't fun at all...why is it water cooled? Also it's super ugly.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2017, 02:49:29 PM »
Thanks for all your info, we will definitely take this into consideration.

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2017, 03:39:53 PM »
The Plastic Maggot is pretty much a "pig" in stock trim.  Horrible seat, lackluster power to weight ratio, and on the heavy side for a 500.  You can boost a little juice by milling the head and increasing compression.

The water pumps and CDI are common weak links. 

There are a flood of them on Bikeexif etc. featuring highly upgraded suspension for a bike that will never go that fast.

That said, it is a decent learner bike and bike messengers/couriers used to pack miles on them.  Honda once made flat trackers using their engines mounted 90 degrees so that the V ran along the backbone.
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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2017, 04:24:16 PM »
Rode a GL500 for a couple of years,it was the best 500 twin of the times. Did a 6500 rpm holeshot with it one late night and wathed it "ghost ride for about 100 feet."

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2017, 05:59:09 PM »
I've had two silverwing 500, only complaint is I wish they were 650..  Makes a good short to midrange tourer....Larry

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2017, 06:01:39 PM »
Just get her a 550

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2017, 06:10:58 PM »
The CX500 when shod with decent tires can be entertaining on curvy roads but like any bike you are going to have some things to address to improve its handling and performance. The stock rear shocks if still on there then toss them in the bin.  Same is true for a cb bike.  Seriously as much as you guys may hate it, there is an excellent reason to be a courier bike. They are deadnuts reliable once brought into tune.  The   cam cover on the 74-76 cb550 are prone to wear eccentrically and you have to put the 77-78 cover to fix that.
The plastic maggot  was what the brits called them because of the fairing without a windscreen on the '78-'79 cx500 and cx500 deluxe.  The 80 didn't have that fairing which had earned the nicknzme.   With the windscreen from a Euro model and the fairing  is not that awful.  Eagle screens in AUstralia, you know that former penal colony that Terry's family in Australia may have descended from...


The CX is really inexpensive to operate seeing around 45-50 mpg and with a light rider it can be spritely.

Ride one, see what she thinks then, it is a nice beginners bike.  Or if she wants a little lighter bike, then buy one of the Nighthawk 250 bikes, solid dependable bike used by tons of drivers ed/msr courses around the US.

Any old bike is going to have things to work through.  Does not matter what it is.  The owners on the cx/ gl  forum do the triple bypass to have peace of mind.  The waterpump seal is part of routine mtce and timing chains are too.  Pulling the motor is very easy to do, and can be done in 30-60 minutes without much trouble.


Check out the bike, run stator tests before buying and if any difference or out of range results show up, then use it as a bargaining chip to drop the price.
You can fix it up make it hers and not worry about any mods killing the collectible bike because if it is not mint looking then you are not killing something with modifications that is going to quadruple in value in 5 years.  With a great running bike because you have gotten to know it and did the mtce and any repairs, you will have learned something and you will not be wrenching on it every weekend just to ride it one day. 
There is nothing wrong with boring and reliable when starting out.  If you concentrate on safe riding and developing your skills and reactions you will be a better rider for it.

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2017, 06:23:17 PM »
Hmm, might not work so great for her then. We need something that is gonna be low maintenance.

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2017, 07:11:27 PM »
Hmm, might not work so great for her then. We need something that is gonna be low maintenance.

Motorcycles are maintenance demanding.  Especially older ones with carbs and tappet valves.  Air cooled bikes go thru oil changes quick, and chain drive bikes need that regular cleaning, lubing, and tensioning.  Good tires don't last long.  Combine all that with a learning curve that (hopefully won't) involve some falling.  Its gonna be necessary to know whats up.  Or else it will cost you hundreds of dollars each time you have to take it to a shop.

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2017, 09:00:36 PM »
A Honda Rebel makes a good first bike, especially for a female. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2017, 02:28:55 AM »
Rebel and Nighthawk 250s share same powerplant.
The CX500 started as the CX400 for Japanese domestic market and where displacement class was/is more directly related to cost of ownership in licensing and taxes, etc.  In very large cities you or small town you won't need much more than a 350 but having the power available and agility through excellent tires you can squirt more go juice to  the motor sometimes to make the difference in what might be a bad situation.

The G47 stator gives you 250 W instead of something like 170-180 I think.  Enough extra capacity to handle auxillary equipment: lights, heated gear, etc.  As is the charging system is more effective as long as your rides are seeing moderate to high rpm.  As you should ride it in the power band, not loaf below 3k where the motor will not be as responsive.  Any bike ridden for short hops and at low rpm is going to have charging challenges.

The CX motor was very innovative for its time as water cooling was becoming common for increased reliability and cooling effectiveness over air cooled bikes.  Very large displacement air cooled motors can be very unforgiving of low speed because of the inability to shed the heat.  They were able to delive 50 bhp at the crank with 500cc whereas the cb550k/f turned in nearly the same power at the crank.
The transverse twin design with its splayed approach with a 22 degree twist allowed the exhaust and carbs to tuck into a narrow width and while it was a pushrod motor, it is more of a testament to the engineering to achieve that increased hp and torque.  It has a nice exhaust note and several like a deeper rumbly exhaust easily achieved with a pair of takeoff H.D. mufflers.  H.D.'s chrome on their bike parts is of high quality, not the case for a Mac or other cheap exhaust and a pair of mufflers are fairly inexpensive.  Often the mufflers never are on the bike past the point of sale asmanycustomers have them replaced before they take delivery.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2017, 02:46:04 AM »
Sounds like she needs an 883 sportster. I wouldn't normally recommend a Harley as a first bike but those 883 run forever and aside from an oil change here and there really have no maintenance. (Or none that anyone worries about.)


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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2017, 12:13:46 PM »
Sounds like she needs an 883 sportster. I wouldn't normally recommend a Harley as a first bike but those 883 run forever and aside from an oil change here and there really have no maintenance. (Or none that anyone worries about.)


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No offense, but a sportster is unnecessarily heavy.

A better learner bike would be a FZ-07 or Rebel 500.
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2017, 01:28:44 PM »
Both would be substantially more expensive than 30 year old CX500.

All old bikes require maintenance. If you buy a clean good running bike there is no reason to think it will require extraordinary service. It's when you buy a "it was running when I put it away" or "runs just needs the carbs cleaned" bike that you open yourself up to maintenance headaches.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2017, 02:14:58 PM »
i was a courier in london in the 80's and had a cx as a back up to my 1100 suzuki . it was pretty much indestructible i did 80,000 miles on it in two years
and the only thing that went wrong was the alternator . not the fastest or most exciting bike i have ever owned but a good bike non the less . i sold it to
a mate when i changed job and he stuck another 70,000 on it before a taxi murdered it .

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2017, 02:33:12 PM »
Both would be substantially more expensive than 30 year old CX500.


True in comparison to a CX500, but definitely not as to a Sportster.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2017, 12:13:00 AM »
Hmm, might not work so great for her then. We need something that is gonna be low maintenance.
Buy a sorted out CX500 from one of the Cx/GL forum members.  Join that forum and learn a bit.  Like I said, they are very reliable bikes, I gave you worst case scenario of what would be done to give me peace of mind on taking one for a 2000 mile run.  Well, that and changing the seat contours as I am 6'4" and the stock seat  puts me too far forward to be comfortable and riding for hours I want a comfortable seat.  Some guys just redo the seat foam and put a new cover on it that suits the new design.  There is an excellent how to rebuild/build your own seat on the CX forum that illustrates the needed shapes for comfort and the tools and methods used to do it.  He even sewed up his own seat cover and it looked great.  Made a transformation in looks and comfort.

So, check out the bike, for a new rider it is most likely going to be a better choice than many others.  It can be a great starter bike and is very easy to work on. The cx500 deluxe tank is a go to tank many use for cafe bike projects as it has very nice lines and is of good capacity as well.

Only thing mine needed was a new 7 volt regulator, easy to replace/build your own.  Changing tach cable, install /replace missing horn, cleaning up electrical connections and everything else was for peace of mind or just to have it be in the best tune possible as well as to suit the desires I had for the bike.  Bike ran great and was trouble free.  Many things I did were preventive maintenance steps and unneeded expenses.  Sometimes it is worth some disassembly so you know for certain the condition of a component that could fail or just to reassure you all is well.  Some of the things are part of a periodic maintenance.  If you pull a wheel to change a rear tire  then it makes sense to clean and inspect your drum brake system and see how much of the drum shoes are left and to deglaze and regrease the necessary points in the drum. With the shaft drive you change the oil and relube the shaft drive so you know its condition and you inspect the splines for signs of wear and perform the shaft maintenance as it comes out of the transmission.  You then have a point at which you start the clock on your maintenance of the same and your maintenance log and reciept book.  The later really is important, because if you do happen to have a claim for the bike and are hit by someone else or carry collision on the bike your receipts give you the evidence and ammo needed for dealing with your or someone else's insurance to show the bike was well maintained.  I bought a very old car and it was a rolling restoration.  Cosmetics were not performed , outside of cleaning and waxing exterior and interior, until I had the car mechanically sound.  I was rear-ended and the other person's insurance company was going to chalk it up as an old ratty car but I had spent thousands on motor, driveline, suspension, and had many upgrades over the one foot in the wrecking yard, not far from it, that I started with...to a reliable daily driver.  So, the stated value insurance policy was for a very good reason.  They  did not breath a word of totalling the car, or arguing about its value after sending them a list of all the work performed on the car since buying it 2 years prior.  So, cosmetics are what insurance adjustors tend to use when assessing value...and it is their job to weasel out of any expense they can to save them from paying on a claim.  So,know that my recommendation is not without reason to do so.
if I didn't have the money to apply towards the bike much of it would have been at a slower pace.
Anytime you buy a used vehicle of any kind you need to plan and reserve funds for basic new used vehicle servicing and for any unexpected repairs. Just like you need to buy the safety gear you need to protect you.

So, don't dismiss an old CX500 as a cross that one off. Just do not buy on emotion or you are going to vastly overpay and the honeymoon period with the new ride is going to be extremely short and expensive as you will underestimate true condition and realistic expectations.  Educate yourself, you will be far happier.  A bike owner should allow you to test the stator according to the factory method, if they will not allow you to test the charging system and stator and do a thorough inspection, then they may be not wanting you to find something or just not trusting you. Having an independent mechanic do the same thing you can do is expensive.  Many buyers do not do a thorough inspection and they risk having things not be found. I would not expect an owner to hand you the keys and let you ride it without the money in hand.  They should be willing to demonstrate to you or if you give them the money with a written agreement they and you sign that you are test riding the bike and as long as the bike returns in same state, undamaged, it left in
 Then you have the option of saying no thanks and leaving with your money, or if you damage it, it is yours.
If the engine grenades on your test ride and should  not have, then
 A go pro filming your ride can demonstrate you did not cause this to occur because you were operating it in a reasonable manor that would easily be considered normal operation.


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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2017, 07:06:35 AM »
I got an '82 reg CX500B 'Deluxe' twin front disc model  that was left rotting in a shed in the UK since 1982 ... found in December 2016 ...I don't suspect the PO liked it much as it's only got 305 !!!! genuine miles on the clock !

Here it as ..as rescued looking sad for itself. >Nobody even knew it was there until I cleared lots of household  junk that buried it almost completely !




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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2017, 08:08:21 AM »
I got an '82 reg CX500B 'Deluxe' twin front disc model  that was left rotting in a shed in the UK since 1982 ... found in December 2016 ...I don't suspect the PO liked it much as it's only got 305 !!!! genuine miles on the clock !

Here it as ..as rescued looking sad for itself. >Nobody even knew it was there until I cleared lots of household  junk that buried it almost completely !

Those deluxe tanks are going for all the money now!  Everybody wants them for cafe conversions on the Custom and the GL.   I keep hoping to find one on the cheap side for my GL500.  There are not many tanks that fit the beast.
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Re: CX500. Opinions?
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2017, 03:56:16 AM »
Sounds like she needs an 883 sportster. I wouldn't normally recommend a Harley as a first bike but those 883 run forever and aside from an oil change here and there really have no maintenance. (Or none that anyone worries about.)


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No offense, but a sportster is unnecessarily heavy.

A better learner bike would be a FZ-07 or Rebel 500.

I agree. The 883 low from the early 2000's has a low seat height and low center of gravity though and like you said below, can be had for pretty cheap.


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