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Offline Scott S

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Car stereo advice
« on: April 14, 2017, 12:50:43 PM »
 Before I got into motorcycles​ I had a thing for VW Bugs. Way back in '94 when I built my '63, a buddy and I installed a CD player, amp and speakers. I was young and that was the thing to do back then. The wires I laid under the carpet weren't exactly correct for properly fading the amp. Long story short, it's not that loud and doesn't sound that good.

 I'm trying to use the car more since it's sat so much over the last ten years or so and I'd like a nicer stereo. I think I'll toss out the amp and save a few pounds. A nice, modern head unit and the existing speakers ought to be fine (6" up front in the footwells and 6x9's in the package tray).

 I like my Pandora radio, and I love my SiriusXM in my Nissan. I don't think I need a CD player anymore (do they even still make them?). I don't need the most high end unit.
 Recommend a nice head unit with enough power to drive the speakers. Are there Bluetooth capable units that I can connect to my phone? Or just plug my phone in to?
 Maybe SiriusXM capable units?
 The dash is uncut, so all of this is going in a console under the dash. I can't fit those big square smart-screen stereos; just the traditional size (sorry....I'm not up to date on the terminology).
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 01:34:22 PM »
Look for a "media receiver". Those don't have CD/DVD players. They are available in conventional height (singleshorter and lighter than CD units and pretty much all of them have Bluetooth connectivity.

I have one in my MG, which has a relatively shallow space behind the center stack, but it is a super cheepie and works like it.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 01:49:43 PM »
You won't get decent sound from a headunit alone. You would need to use a separate amp to get decent, clear sound imo.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 02:43:37 PM »
 I don't know about that. I've had some pretty nice high watt head units that sounded fine for my needs. Something like a 35Wx4 or 40Wx4 seems to be enough. I'm not trying to rattle any windows or anything.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 07:01:02 PM »
Crutchfield.com.

I picked up a nice double DIN unit for my Subaru Outback. It came with all the connectors, instructions and a matching replacement face plate. Let's see - HD radio, XM "ready" requiring the additional plug in XM adapter for that, blue tooth with mic, CD/DVD,  back up camera "ready", etc. No amp required unless I wanted to blow out my ears. Just check the output. Worked fine with my existing speakers too. 
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 07:22:00 PM »
Crutchfield.com.

Or for those of us with a more limited budget:

https://www.sonicelectronix.com/

All of my vehicles are sporting one of their Digital Media Receivers, or "Mechless" units with no CD, nor tape player. Just a radio tuner and typically USB connectivity and/or SD card slot for playing gobs of your favorite mp3's along with an 1/8" jack for connecting a phone or other mp3 player. Many are Sirius capable as well as Bluetooth connectable. They almost always come with a mounting kit for free that includes an adapter harness, although a '63 Bug might not be in their mounting kit catalog...  ;)

The "Mechless" units only extend about half as far into the dash as a typical head unit. Very small footprint.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2017, 06:45:46 AM »
Crutchfield.com.

Or for those of us with a more limited budget:

https://www.sonicelectronix.com/

All of my vehicles are sporting one of their Digital Media Receivers, or "Mechless" units with no CD, nor tape player. Just a radio tuner and typically USB connectivity and/or SD card slot for playing gobs of your favorite mp3's along with an 1/8" jack for connecting a phone or other mp3 player. Many are Sirius capable as well as Bluetooth connectable. They almost always come with a mounting kit for free that includes an adapter harness, although a '63 Bug might not be in their mounting kit catalog...  ;)

The "Mechless" units only extend about half as far into the dash as a typical head unit. Very small footprint.

 There ya go!! This is exactly the kind of stuff I was envisioning!
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 08:37:00 AM »
Scott - I'm in a similar boat, I am shopping for a new system for the Nissan 370Z I recently bought.

Head units are relatively cheap, the Pioneer I am going with is only $106 shipped [I need "double din"]. Amazon has good selection and great pricing...

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-FH-X730BS-Vehicle-Digital-Receivers/dp/B01FKW6CIQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492269689&sr=1-1&keywords=x730bs

It has Bluetooth for connecting to your smart phone and is satellite ready, but you need a tuner...on sale $37

https://www.amazon.com/SiriusXM-SXV300v1-Connect-Vehicle-Satellite/dp/B00NJTO4CY

Since you want single din, here are a couple to consider...

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-MVH-X380BT-Digital-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B01463U20E/ref=pd_lpo_107_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=X0ZE43XDRXM5HGANCH8R

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TMT8HIM/ref=psdc_10980601_t2_B00BMRLK3Q

I plan to go with Alpine component spears and an amp.  Amps are not just for rattling windows, it will give crisp clear sound at high levels. I put one in my Honda car and boat as well.

Speakers I am going with...

https://www.amazon.com/Alpine-Spr-60c-6-5-Inch-Component-Speaker/dp/B00545CMBG/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1492270358&sr=1-1&keywords=spr-60c

Cheaper option:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004THAWHG/ref=psdc_10980771_t3_B00545CMBG

6x9's for you....

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WWNSMO/ref=psdc_10980771_t2_B00545CMBG




And small amp I am going with....

https://www.amazon.com/KTP-445A-Alpine-4-Channel-4-Ohms-Amplifier/dp/B00CQBY174/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1492270546&sr=1-1&keywords=ktp-445u


Hope that helps....






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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 11:23:51 PM »
Whatever wattage you think you want in your amp.  Double that number.
More watts means clearer sound.  Better signal:noise ratio and less harmonic distortion during playback!
Besides, the marketing guys only advertise their amps PEAK power.

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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2017, 04:05:22 PM »
Any progress Scott?

I ordered and received my equip. My buddy Nick is a master installer, we will be installing it in my 370Z this week....


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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2017, 05:53:45 PM »
 No, just window shopping right now.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2017, 07:36:03 PM »
Any progress Scott?

I ordered and received my equip. My buddy Nick is a master installer, we will be installing it in my 370Z this week....




I have used both that pioneer unit and the similar kenwood one and they both work very well and sound great even with the built in amp going into 4 decent speakers.


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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2017, 07:37:45 PM »
Any progress Scott?

I ordered and received my equip. My buddy Nick is a master installer, we will be installing it in my 370Z this week....




I have used both that pioneer unit and the similar kenwood one and they both work very well and sound great even with the built in amp going into 4 decent speakers.



Good to hear, thanks for letting us know. 
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2017, 07:59:54 AM »
The key is correctly matching the speakers to whatever power level (watts) is used.  If you have speakers that can handle 300 watts, and only power it with 50, it will never sound good, the speakers won't "move" enough air.  You'll turn it up louder, and while the wattage isn't there, voltage is, and you'll soon burn out the speaker coils. And the opposite is also true. Over powering speakers will also blow them out.  I've built many lower powered systems that sound great.  You really only need amps if you want your ears to bleed.

The other thing I'd point out is to have a properly sealed speaker cabinet. That doesn't literally mean a cabinet, though.  In the case of older Bugs, cutting a board to fit over the package compartment is the proper thing to do.  But sealing around the edges is the important part.  What happens is that you have sound waves coming off the front of the speaker, and opposite waves coming off the back.  They will tend to cancel each other out.  I always cringe when I see some lazy a$$hat put a pair of speakers just laying on the rear window shelf.  It sounds crappy, and in an accident, they become weapons of head destruction.  Don't be that guy.

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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2017, 08:17:41 AM »
I had a version of this one in my Saab: https://www.crutchfield.com/p_158DSXA45B/Sony-DSX-A405BT.html?tp=72453&avf=Y

It was there when I bought the car in 2015 and clearly had been professionally installed. I was very happy with it. Plenty of volume, Bluetooth worked great and Sony has an app that allows you to control a lot of the functions from your phone.
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Re: Car stereo advice
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2017, 08:40:09 AM »
Scott,

I bought one of these for my 2002 F150 last year:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_113DPX792B/Kenwood-Excelon-DPX792BH.html?tp=5684&omnews=12702684

That's a Kenwood Excelon DPX792BH

I originally went hunting for some interface plug I could just put inline in the factory radio, but my radio had no option for that. It is a double DIN, was a bit invasive to install in my case, but still no big thing. I did not add an amp or change the factory speakers. It sounds great, works great, interfaces really easily with an iPhone or Android, charges the phone while it is plugged into it, and has a remote for whatever good reason. I can't think of a feature I'd want that it doesn't have. My only gripe is that the buttons could be more user friendly. Perhaps a touchscreen unit would have been better in this regard. Many reviews #$%* about visibility of the display, I just turned it to max brightness in white, and never noticed it since.

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