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Offline Stev-o

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2017, 07:14:07 AM »
You guys are making me want one of these!  But I'm trying to hold out for a Bomber...

What you really need is a Bomber, AND a Superhawk.
And to really make the collection completely a CB160 and an S90, all in black.


So true!  I do like the look of those S90's....

You'd get bored on an s90. They're too slow

I would....but would be a good bike for my daughter to learn on.
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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #151 on: August 30, 2017, 07:16:29 AM »
I'll be ready to sell mine soon. It is pretty fun. I plan to teach my wife to ride on it

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #152 on: August 30, 2017, 07:18:50 AM »
I'll have a bit more research to do. I would like to punch it out to around 225 or more if I can. I don't really know yet what all has been done or can be done

Are you a member over at hondatwins.net?   Those guys would know.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #153 on: August 30, 2017, 07:22:05 AM »
I'll have a bit more research to do. I would like to punch it out to around 225 or more if I can. I don't really know yet what all has been done or can be done

Are you a member over at hondatwins.net?   Those guys would know.

I am a member over there. I don't post much there because there's not as much traffic as here. I've found a number of threads on it. It seems my best/easiest option may be to just keep it all 175 and bore it as far as I can.

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #154 on: September 10, 2017, 06:43:51 AM »


 I've just bought a cb77 1965, and i read that some guys installed carbs from a Honda xr200 and some other installed carbs from cb750!

 i'm wondering if it would be easier to tune these carbs?


Really nice bike,by the way!!

Bert


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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #155 on: September 10, 2017, 06:59:37 AM »


 I've just bought a cb77 1965, and i read that some guys installed carbs from a Honda xr200 and some other installed carbs from cb750!

 i'm wondering if it would be easier to tune these carbs?


Really nice bike,by the way!!

Bert

Thank you

These carbs are pretty simple to tune, imo, easier than cb750 carbs. Cb750 carbs would be far from a bolt on solution as well. Amal 26s are bolt on, though, it you want to try something different

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #156 on: September 10, 2017, 07:00:55 AM »
Does amal better than oem ?

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #157 on: September 10, 2017, 07:04:20 AM »
Does amal better than oem ?

Bert

Not sure, I've never dealt with them. There's a thread on the honda 305 forum about it

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #158 on: September 10, 2017, 08:00:17 AM »
From what I know about Amal carbs, I would think that the OEM ones are as good or better, plus, tuning information is out there.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #159 on: September 10, 2017, 01:02:32 PM »
My experience with Amal carbs has always been problematic

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #160 on: September 10, 2017, 01:12:15 PM »
This guy seem to have good result with amal...
http://www.honda305.com/forums/amal-carbs-t28.html
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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #161 on: September 10, 2017, 01:31:56 PM »
This guy seem to have good result with amal...
http://www.honda305.com/forums/amal-carbs-t28.html

But really, what's the point? If you're running a stock engine, why go through the hassle of changing carbs. The stockers work well and are easy to tune

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #162 on: September 10, 2017, 01:35:38 PM »
And with a big bore kit(358cc),does it make more sense?
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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #163 on: September 10, 2017, 01:42:35 PM »
And with a big bore kit(358cc),does it make more sense?

If I were doing a big bore and head work I would explore a set of bigger carbs. Which ones I don't know since I haven't looked into it at all. I would want something with a proven performance advantage for that particular set up.

I haven't seen anything to suggest a performance advantage with going to amals. Not saying there isn't one, I just haven't seen it

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Re: 64 cb77 resto-mod
« Reply #164 on: September 17, 2017, 05:48:18 PM »
With the S90 if you take out the center pipe out of the header (dual walled design like some other bikes we know)
The dual pipe design allowed the chrome to not blue as easily as well as the heated tube once hot had a similar effect as pipe wrap since the hot pipe has a benefit with the exhaust extraction if I recall correctly.  Pipe wrap holds in excessive heat causing the metal structure to change to be more of a crystalline structure and that weakens the pipe and causes it to age much more rapidly.

The S90s are fun bikes but you either dig deep to rebuild the stock motor for more performance with the trade-offs or you accept the shorter life of the clone motors. But, just like many other bikes, you enhance one thing and then the next weakest link becomes the problem as a result. In this case the higher speeds possible do not come with an equal positive change or increase in braking performance. 

Unless you have the pieces to assemble a motor like Scott Kirn of St. Louis does with ATV125 parts and the like to create a bigger displacement motor retaining the S90 cases and gearbox which is good. But, anything more than the 104cc kit and you start looking at the need to cut the cases to fit the bigger cylinder liner. Scott does Trials competition and knows how to be the tractable lower speeds needed for that as having the experience building big displacement more hp more speed variants. He has a pretty cafe bike he built probably over 15 years ago... if you go to the Yahoo S90 groups it is on their home page.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Honda-S90/info

Not as elegant as some being done today but, you didn't see many 15 years ago...
Luckily the Hipsters haven't bought them up for their city wheels...

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