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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2017, 07:22:06 AM »

Of course a couple hundred or even a couple thousand 2 stroke motorcycles aren't going to wreak havoc on the worlds supply of breathable air. Let's be real. But it's an indisputable fact that air quality in all major North American cities has improved dramatically over the past 40 years while populations and vehicle traffic has grown exponentially. Do you believe that happened serendipitously?


No I don't - see my very first statement, well okay my 2nd statement.

If you truly believe the arguments you're making you'd be better served ditching the shock and awe (like that said Mother Jones pic) and staying with more concrete evidence like that NASA image you posted.  All that shock and awe stuff does is polarize opinions and set off too many people's BS meters.  My own included, and I'm sympathetic.

The introduction of the catalytic converter has done wonders for emissions in this country, the pile of emission controls has improved combustion efficiency markedly.  As an engineer I think it's great.  But Cal has a great point - one that is lost to too many environmentalists, the bulk of the problem has been addressed here.  Environmentalists would be best served spending their efforts overseas at this point.
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2017, 07:54:22 AM »
KTM just busted out a brand spankin' new electronically controlled, direct injection, ring-a-ding-ding-ding, oil burnin' 2 stroke.  It's only in mx bikes for now, but the potential is huge.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2017, 10:15:11 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2017, 10:39:23 AM »
KTM just busted out a brand spankin' new electronically controlled, direct injection, ring-a-ding-ding-ding, oil burnin' 2 stroke.  It's only in mx bikes for now, but the potential is huge.

Yes, my friend just bought one of these husqys. I haven't seen it yet, but he says it's amazing. It says off-road, but he's got a plate here in the no no state, so...


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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2017, 11:26:19 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I got stuck behind a trx450r that was running racing fuel once.  That exhaust burns the sinuses!

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

Are you sure it's the fumes from the bike that's the problem?  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2017, 12:15:46 PM »
Step down off the soap box before you get a nose bleed Cal!

I get the whole misdirected frustration sh!t. Your government and corporate CEO’s have been sticking it to the American people forever. Hell, even your “NEW” President whom campaigned for the common man is sticking it to ya’ll. You’re wasting your time getting all hell bent on me. Political life is where you belong Cal.

The OP simply asked if our old bikes would someday be banned in certain areas. He then went on to comment (almost boastfully) about the offence some politically correct Vermont tourists take to the smoke and pollution his (poorly maintained) bikes produce. To that I should have just said “Yes!” like Frank did but where’s the fun in that?

To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I knew that oil burning F150 comment would get to you. After all wasn't it you who posted the video of your “Rolling Coal” hillbilly cousin belching diesel exhaust on the cyclists? Classy!

Electric vehicle technology is in it’s infancy and will most certainly evolve into something much better than internal combustion technology. Same holds true for battery technology as they go hand in hand. The potential is crazy. Have you seen the Lightning LS-218 YouTube videos? This is one of my favourites.


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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2017, 12:33:55 PM »
I dont think I posted that video..not sure . But on our local forum we have a guy that admits to doing it sometimes, and I called him out on it and he got pissy.. Said hope to see you on you bicycle on the road..
 I mentioned Idaho Stops, and he and a few others figured cars should get them too. There isa bunch of incensed car riders get worked up over bicycles always breaking the rules. I pointed out at an intersection near here...3 way stop.. The cars have less than 10percent stopping for the stop sign.. No shortage of cages breaking the rules..

 Whoa here we are, a Kilometer off topic already.
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2017, 01:04:59 PM »
Step down off the soap box before you get a nose bleed Cal!

I get the whole misdirected frustration sh!t. Your government and corporate CEO’s have been sticking it to the American people forever. Hell, even your “NEW” President whom campaigned for the common man is sticking it to ya’ll. You’re wasting your time getting all hell bent on me. Political life is where you belong Cal.

The OP simply asked if our old bikes would someday be banned in certain areas. He then went on to comment (almost boastfully) about the offence some politically correct Vermont tourists take to the smoke and pollution his (poorly maintained) bikes produce. To that I should have just said “Yes!” like Frank did but where’s the fun in that?

To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I knew that oil burning F150 comment would get to you. After all wasn't it you who posted the video of your “Rolling Coal” hillbilly cousin belching diesel exhaust on the cyclists? Classy!

Electric vehicle technology is in it’s infancy and will most certainly evolve into something much better than internal combustion technology. Same holds true for battery technology as they go hand in hand. The potential is crazy. Have you seen the Lightning LS-218 YouTube videos? This is one of my favourites.


Ride on!

The problem here is that we have jumped into electric technology without having a plan for disposal of old or defective batteries. So as the technology will get better, during the R&D there is a lot of pollution to be had and this is just the death of a battery. Imagine the beginning of life for a battery, that isn't pollution free either. I've seen old Honda Civics that leave a dusting of smoke beat emission tests only to fail for visible smoke.

I have a vintage vehicle that has an ammco cylinder head oiler and at peak vacuum puffs a tad bit of mystery oil induced smoke... ftw!


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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »
Yup, cal and steve are right.  Energy consumption during manufacturing and disposal are very much a thing.  There is a term for it too!  Academic types are calling it "Real Cost Analysis" - and it traces the path of a consumer product all the way down to raw material extraction, in addition to that they also make statements on the impact of such things on regional societies.  I.E. African economic exploitation (not specifically motorcycle related, but a solid case point)
So when you measure up the amount of materials used and waste expelled by the lithium mining operation, and the local labor of such, the logistical efforts, et al.  It's easy to determine that much of what we take for granted is having a rather negative impact in many categories.

A sure fire way to limit the negative impact of real costs.  Is buying used.  Something that already exists.  Maintenance and Repair instead of replacement.  Repurposing rather than recycling (not that recycling is bad, but it has real costs too!)

The notion that old stuff should be hauled off to a dump is part of the problem that brought us here.

While Trump is a damn tool (imho) who has systematically began dismantling the US government.  One disturbing truth has come to light from his meetings with industry CEO's.  That truth, is many americans lack the skill to make sh!t from scratch.  Sure, teenagers these days are passing the math and reading exams to graduate high school.  But such theorhetical knowledge is useless to a company that wants real skills and critical/analytical thinking.  The companies don't want to invest in training an american workforce to manufacture things, because they'd have to start at point zero.  Skills like "how to use a screwdriver"
That, and they've already invested in training a foreign workforce to use screwdrivers.  Why would they want to do that again at 10 or 20 times the cost?!

That's a real can o worms there

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2017, 02:11:16 PM »
Hey speaking of disposal, when the pigtail lightbulbs came out they pushed for everyone to convert.. But a lot of places had no disposal plan. I saw one blow and drop on an unoccupied table in a Starbux. I asked the girl who cleaned it up what brand it was, she said why ? I would have notified the manufacturer. At that time they were pretty new, i looked online to see clean up procedure..I kid you not..it said if it was a childs room, remove child, closevwindow, tape around doorway, and call a HazMat worker.. Unbelievable..they push people to switch and then dont have dispozal sorted out.
I think paying Hazmat would cancel any savings over a decade or two..
 Lobbyists screwing us over for their interest...looks like to me..
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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2017, 02:30:50 PM »
Yup, cal and steve are right.  Energy consumption during manufacturing and disposal are very much a thing.  There is a term for it too!  Academic types are calling it "Real Cost Analysis" - and it traces the path of a consumer product all the way down to raw material extraction, in addition to that they also make statements on the impact of such things on regional societies.  I.E. African economic exploitation (not specifically motorcycle related, but a solid case point)
So when you measure up the amount of materials used and waste expelled by the lithium mining operation, and the local labor of such, the logistical efforts, et al.  It's easy to determine that much of what we take for granted is having a rather negative impact in many categories.

Care to guess how many middle eastern lives have been negativly impacted in efforts to control oil?
My guess is few more than lithium mining.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2017, 02:41:46 PM »
Care to guess how many middle eastern lives have been negativly impacted in efforts to control oil?
My guess is few more than lithium mining.

I'd hazard a guess the war-death toll is a valid answer to your question.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2017, 04:32:10 PM »
I don't suffer nose bleeds James, I live too lowly a life. Your hypothesis always lack evidence for your opinions. As far as the corporations sticking it to me, hardly. I live rather comfortably thanks to them. And I still care about my fellow man; it's the way I was raised; to respect others.

You have the temerity to assail the OP without knowing a single thing about him. You've never met the guy, have no idea what his circumstances are, yet you immediately insult him with your petty little labels. You're the epitome of a disrespectful intolerant pissant. Go back to your wee little lab and live your fantasy life. You haven't the fist clue about the hypocrisies you defend.  ::)

Aa for that video, in its abstract, there are many plausible explanations a, as I said then, as I say now. Yet you are quick to call someone a hillbilly. Wow, how very mature and respectful of you. Pious Jim, that ought to be your new avatar. A$$hat.

Come on Cal. Read it again. This time without your emotions getting in the way.
I haven't said a single thing that's not true. I just say it with a creative flair.
And since when did you resort to calling people names?
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2017, 04:36:12 PM »
I'd hazard a guess the war-death toll is a valid answer to your question.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

Careful. We're wondering way off topic opening that box.
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2017, 05:05:35 PM »
I remain emotionless when confronting people who blurt crap without the facts to substantiate their claims. I am not the only one reading this who has called you out for your distorted and fictitious assertions.

By the way, you're not that creative actually. Perhaps in your mind...

Facts? Fictitious assertions? Show me.

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2017, 06:05:39 PM »
I'll give mine up when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.  To quote Charlton Heston/

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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2017, 06:30:01 PM »
Personally I'd like to get an electric bike. 

For motorcycles it would be a real difficult sell though.  I get a very constant 45 on the R1200 GS, similar with the CBs and the Sabre.  That's a LOT of gas to buy before the electric bike becomes cost-effective.  The price for them would have to come down quite a bit and the range would have to go up a serious amount.

Not going to be able to charge the battery in the Rockies, whereas I can get gas dang near anywhere - even the South American boondocks.

For a car it's more of a reasonable sell. 
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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2017, 03:19:46 AM »

Funny you mention electric vehicles. My best friend since grade school is a master BMW technician and he was just telling me a story about this. Just recently he went for a class at their national training center and he noticed a large pile of batteries out back by the dumpster. When he asked the instructor what the deal was with them, the response was, "no one knows what to do with the old batteries, one of them is leaking and has become an environmental hazard." So there's the proof to back up your argument Cal. Those electric vehicles are going to pile up and then what? You can't just crush them.


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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2017, 03:50:52 AM »
Hey speaking of disposal, when the pigtail lightbulbs came out they pushed for everyone to convert.. But a lot of places had no disposal plan. I saw one blow and drop on an unoccupied table in a Starbux. I asked the girl who cleaned it up what brand it was, she said why ? I would have notified the manufacturer. At that time they were pretty new, i looked online to see clean up procedure..I kid you not..it said if it was a childs room, remove child, closevwindow, tape around doorway, and call a HazMat worker.. Unbelievable..they push people to switch and then dont have dispozal sorted out.
I think paying Hazmat would cancel any savings over a decade or two..
 Lobbyists screwing us over for their interest...looks like to me..

I used to play hockey in an old 70s disco rink that they converted. It still had a wood floor and concrete boards that they just plopped glass on top of. Believe it or not that was the least dangerous thing about it. The ceiling was probably only like 10 feet and there was a regular occurrence of a puck shattering a bulb which would then rain down on us. Very safe stuff.


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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2017, 03:54:22 AM »
On another note, I think we all have that one friend who runs race fuel in everything? I know I do. Being behind him on the trails gets me seasick when he rides a two-stroke.


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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2017, 06:09:01 AM »
Here's a lithium mine in Bolivia.



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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2017, 09:48:00 AM »
You Sir, just spoke a mouth full of cold hard facts. i see it coming in the job i hold..

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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2017, 03:39:41 PM »
My uncle has a country place, that no-one knows about. He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law.
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2017, 04:17:44 PM »
If it happens, then I'll be an outlaw
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