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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2017, 11:33:53 PM »
That Mother Jones photo of Manhattan is ridiculous.

I don't have a problem with the Clean Air Act, nor do I wish automotive emission controls be rolled back - but I really don't like distortions being used to bolster those type of arguments.  They don't need such distortions - the arguments stand on their own merits.
1)  Manhattan is still a pretty unhealthy place to live today
2)  Camera technology today is much better than it was 45 years ago
3)  Who knows when those photos were taken during the day and more importantly how they were processed afterwards.

The infinitesimal number of people riding 2 strokes in the US is not the reason why the air in Manhattan is still dirty as all get out.  The massive number of modern vehicles (less than 10 years old) is undoubtedly one of the reasons though.  So forget about the smokey 2-strokes and put your attention on the Accords, Hyundais, Fords, Chevys, Dodges, etc...

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2017, 11:36:26 PM »
That Mother Jones photo of Manhattan is ridiculous.

I don't have a problem with the Clean Air Act, nor do I wish automotive emission controls be rolled back - but I really don't like distortions being used to bolster those type of arguments.  They don't need such distortions - the arguments stand on their own merits.
1)  Manhattan is still a pretty unhealthy place to live today
2)  Camera technology today is much better than it was 45 years ago
3)  Who knows when those photos were taken during the day and more importantly how they were processed afterwards.

The infinitesimal number of people riding 2 strokes in the US is not the reason why the air in Manhattan is still dirty as all get out.  The massive number of modern vehicles (less than 10 years old) is undoubtedly one of the reasons though.  So forget about the smokey 2-strokes and put your attention on the Accords, Hyundais, Fords, Chevys, Dodges, etc...

Of course a couple hundred or even a couple thousand 2 stroke motorcycles aren't going to wreak havoc on the worlds supply of breathable air. Let's be real. But it's an indisputable fact that air quality in all major North American cities has improved dramatically over the past 40 years while populations and vehicle traffic has grown exponentially. Do you believe that happened serendipitously?

Maybe the Manhattan air quality comparison picture doesn't realistically demonstrate the significant improvements we've realized over the last 4 decades but NASA has 10 years of satellite data to quantify it if you wish to know.



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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2017, 03:59:40 AM »
You target a single, large city like New York as an example? The non-automotive contributing factors to urban air pollution have as much to do with air quality as anything else. Geography, climate zone, building density and height, pervious surface ratio vs square area, etc. Look at LA. Its still has completely crap AQ which is very much influenced by their climate and geography. Or are you saying all those evil "Lesser People" are all driving burned out old F-150s and contaminating your air?

You seem to be so polarized that simply because people think potential legislation is hogwash that they are irresponsible or morons. I know not a single person who wouldn't rather have cleaner air and water, but at what point are we chasing our own tail? The science behind it all is not irrefutable. There's plenty of good evidence that all agree upon to support doing more of the same, making continual improvements, and educating people on innovative measures. But to pigeonhole an economic segment of a population due to a presumed guilty class of vehicles is absurd. Its about as brilliant as the "Clunkers for Cash" program held here a few years back. An effort to remove older cars that were likely more polluting, stimulate the economy (falsely) and see flowers blooming everywhere on street corners. Yeah right. So what happens to all those perfectly decent cars? Yup landfills. Real smart. Oh, and the energy to collect, ship, destroy then grave them. Give me a break!  ::)

You said, "Of course a couple hundred or even a couple thousand 2 stroke motorcycles aren't going to wreak havoc on the worlds supply of breathable air. Let's be real." Well, in actual fact, look at the air quality in many Asian countries where 2-wheeled vehicles are the most popular. Even mopeds. All these belch carbon emissions into the world's breathable air and I don't see you running a petition for change there. Do you not believe or understand the air polluted there reaches you? The runoff of surface pollutants into the sea reaches you by tidal changes and evaporation?

See, in many obscure ways, you're guilty as heck. You purchase many things from Asian economies, vehicles in fact that are made there, shipped here, and driven here. Its the lifecycle of products that nobody pays attention to. You think simply because your vehicle is newer that its more environmentally efficient. Wrong. Perhaps while operating, sure. But to manufacture it, ship it, and deliver it, all contributes to the embodied energy of its carbon footprint. Hence, the tariffs on import/export vehicles (among many other reasons).

Instead of banning a class of vehicle, why not support a massive import tax on anything made elsewhere and that fee be spent making marked improvements in local geographies towards more energy efficient housing and buildings? I'll tell you why not, because the price of things would skyrocket and you'd be howling at the moon over the increases (just like those evil oil-burning "lessers" who may not be able to afford to repair or replace their cars). MY point: like many who advocate for legislation, you aren't even considering the real problem. More laws don't fix simple problems. Simple solutions fix big problems.
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2017, 06:46:54 AM »
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You can hide behind your "Rights & Freedoms" BS all day long but others have rights too. Sounds more to me that your just inconsiderate and a bit of a tight wad.

Same holds true of the POS oil burning F150 running around town. No reason worn out vehicles should be pumping crap into the atmosphere. Purchasing newer and/or fixing current vehicles is good for the economy as well as the environment.
It appears that your version of individual rights is to demand everyone else adhere to your version of "right and wrong". Perhaps the other fellow doesn't have the means, resources, skills or time to bring their vehicle to the newest standard of "environmentally sensitive" that you desire. Some people simply are scraping by and drive/own whatever they can afford just to get to work, school or food. So climb down of that pedestal and have some compassion for others who may be less fortunate than you.

As for the likelihood of municipalities banning vehicles based upon age and presumption of emissions, it's been proposed and implemented in many places. So the original premise of this thread is not only likely, but real.

I have numerous friends who scowl at me for driving a V8 from over 15 years ago because it itself premise that their flashy new Prius is so much more sensitive environmentally. The problem is: cradle to grave, electric vehicles suck for our environment. Period. There is no viable afterlife for their batteries, the embodied energy to manufacturer them is far higher than a 15 year old vehicle creates, and, like all new things, it has to be created (versus maintaining an existing machine).

But I'm not interested in an "environmental sensitivity" lesson from someone who operates a fossil fueled vehicle. Hypocrisy wins that argument.
Funny you mention electric vehicles. My best friend since grade school is a master BMW technician and he was just telling me a story about this. Just recently he went for a class at their national training center and he noticed a large pile of batteries out back by the dumpster. When he asked the instructor what the deal was with them, the response was, "no one knows what to do with the old batteries, one of them is leaking and has become an environmental hazard." So there's the proof to back up your argument Cal. Those electric vehicles are going to pile up and then what? You can't just crush them.


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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2017, 07:22:06 AM »

Of course a couple hundred or even a couple thousand 2 stroke motorcycles aren't going to wreak havoc on the worlds supply of breathable air. Let's be real. But it's an indisputable fact that air quality in all major North American cities has improved dramatically over the past 40 years while populations and vehicle traffic has grown exponentially. Do you believe that happened serendipitously?


No I don't - see my very first statement, well okay my 2nd statement.

If you truly believe the arguments you're making you'd be better served ditching the shock and awe (like that said Mother Jones pic) and staying with more concrete evidence like that NASA image you posted.  All that shock and awe stuff does is polarize opinions and set off too many people's BS meters.  My own included, and I'm sympathetic.

The introduction of the catalytic converter has done wonders for emissions in this country, the pile of emission controls has improved combustion efficiency markedly.  As an engineer I think it's great.  But Cal has a great point - one that is lost to too many environmentalists, the bulk of the problem has been addressed here.  Environmentalists would be best served spending their efforts overseas at this point.
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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2017, 07:54:22 AM »
KTM just busted out a brand spankin' new electronically controlled, direct injection, ring-a-ding-ding-ding, oil burnin' 2 stroke.  It's only in mx bikes for now, but the potential is huge.
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2017, 10:15:11 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2017, 10:39:23 AM »
KTM just busted out a brand spankin' new electronically controlled, direct injection, ring-a-ding-ding-ding, oil burnin' 2 stroke.  It's only in mx bikes for now, but the potential is huge.

Yes, my friend just bought one of these husqys. I haven't seen it yet, but he says it's amazing. It says off-road, but he's got a plate here in the no no state, so...


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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2017, 11:26:19 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I got stuck behind a trx450r that was running racing fuel once.  That exhaust burns the sinuses!

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »
To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

Are you sure it's the fumes from the bike that's the problem?  ;D
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2017, 12:15:46 PM »
Step down off the soap box before you get a nose bleed Cal!

I get the whole misdirected frustration sh!t. Your government and corporate CEO’s have been sticking it to the American people forever. Hell, even your “NEW” President whom campaigned for the common man is sticking it to ya’ll. You’re wasting your time getting all hell bent on me. Political life is where you belong Cal.

The OP simply asked if our old bikes would someday be banned in certain areas. He then went on to comment (almost boastfully) about the offence some politically correct Vermont tourists take to the smoke and pollution his (poorly maintained) bikes produce. To that I should have just said “Yes!” like Frank did but where’s the fun in that?

To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I knew that oil burning F150 comment would get to you. After all wasn't it you who posted the video of your “Rolling Coal” hillbilly cousin belching diesel exhaust on the cyclists? Classy!

Electric vehicle technology is in it’s infancy and will most certainly evolve into something much better than internal combustion technology. Same holds true for battery technology as they go hand in hand. The potential is crazy. Have you seen the Lightning LS-218 YouTube videos? This is one of my favourites.


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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2017, 12:33:55 PM »
I dont think I posted that video..not sure . But on our local forum we have a guy that admits to doing it sometimes, and I called him out on it and he got pissy.. Said hope to see you on you bicycle on the road..
 I mentioned Idaho Stops, and he and a few others figured cars should get them too. There isa bunch of incensed car riders get worked up over bicycles always breaking the rules. I pointed out at an intersection near here...3 way stop.. The cars have less than 10percent stopping for the stop sign.. No shortage of cages breaking the rules..

 Whoa here we are, a Kilometer off topic already.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2017, 01:04:59 PM »
Step down off the soap box before you get a nose bleed Cal!

I get the whole misdirected frustration sh!t. Your government and corporate CEO’s have been sticking it to the American people forever. Hell, even your “NEW” President whom campaigned for the common man is sticking it to ya’ll. You’re wasting your time getting all hell bent on me. Political life is where you belong Cal.

The OP simply asked if our old bikes would someday be banned in certain areas. He then went on to comment (almost boastfully) about the offence some politically correct Vermont tourists take to the smoke and pollution his (poorly maintained) bikes produce. To that I should have just said “Yes!” like Frank did but where’s the fun in that?

To answer the OP, yes my bike should be banned..no one will ride behind me.. It needs to be fixed.

I knew that oil burning F150 comment would get to you. After all wasn't it you who posted the video of your “Rolling Coal” hillbilly cousin belching diesel exhaust on the cyclists? Classy!

Electric vehicle technology is in it’s infancy and will most certainly evolve into something much better than internal combustion technology. Same holds true for battery technology as they go hand in hand. The potential is crazy. Have you seen the Lightning LS-218 YouTube videos? This is one of my favourites.


Ride on!

The problem here is that we have jumped into electric technology without having a plan for disposal of old or defective batteries. So as the technology will get better, during the R&D there is a lot of pollution to be had and this is just the death of a battery. Imagine the beginning of life for a battery, that isn't pollution free either. I've seen old Honda Civics that leave a dusting of smoke beat emission tests only to fail for visible smoke.

I have a vintage vehicle that has an ammco cylinder head oiler and at peak vacuum puffs a tad bit of mystery oil induced smoke... ftw!


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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2017, 01:56:25 PM »
I don't suffer nose bleeds James, I live too lowly a life. Your hypothesis always lack evidence for your opinions. As far as the corporations sticking it to me, hardly. I live rather comfortably thanks to them. And I still care about my fellow man; it's the way I was raised; to respect others.

You have the temerity to assail the OP without knowing a single thing about him. You've never met the guy, have no idea what his circumstances are, yet you immediately insult him with your petty little labels. You're the epitome of a disrespectful intolerant pissant. Go back to your wee little lab and live your fantasy life. You haven't the fist clue about the hypocrisies you defend.  ::)

Aa for that video, in its abstract, there are many plausible explanations a, as I said then, as I say now. Yet you are quick to call someone a hillbilly. Wow, how very mature and respectful of you. Pious Jim, that ought to be your new avatar. A$$hat.
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »
Yup, cal and steve are right.  Energy consumption during manufacturing and disposal are very much a thing.  There is a term for it too!  Academic types are calling it "Real Cost Analysis" - and it traces the path of a consumer product all the way down to raw material extraction, in addition to that they also make statements on the impact of such things on regional societies.  I.E. African economic exploitation (not specifically motorcycle related, but a solid case point)
So when you measure up the amount of materials used and waste expelled by the lithium mining operation, and the local labor of such, the logistical efforts, et al.  It's easy to determine that much of what we take for granted is having a rather negative impact in many categories.

A sure fire way to limit the negative impact of real costs.  Is buying used.  Something that already exists.  Maintenance and Repair instead of replacement.  Repurposing rather than recycling (not that recycling is bad, but it has real costs too!)

The notion that old stuff should be hauled off to a dump is part of the problem that brought us here.

While Trump is a damn tool (imho) who has systematically began dismantling the US government.  One disturbing truth has come to light from his meetings with industry CEO's.  That truth, is many americans lack the skill to make sh!t from scratch.  Sure, teenagers these days are passing the math and reading exams to graduate high school.  But such theorhetical knowledge is useless to a company that wants real skills and critical/analytical thinking.  The companies don't want to invest in training an american workforce to manufacture things, because they'd have to start at point zero.  Skills like "how to use a screwdriver"
That, and they've already invested in training a foreign workforce to use screwdrivers.  Why would they want to do that again at 10 or 20 times the cost?!

That's a real can o worms there

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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2017, 02:11:16 PM »
Hey speaking of disposal, when the pigtail lightbulbs came out they pushed for everyone to convert.. But a lot of places had no disposal plan. I saw one blow and drop on an unoccupied table in a Starbux. I asked the girl who cleaned it up what brand it was, she said why ? I would have notified the manufacturer. At that time they were pretty new, i looked online to see clean up procedure..I kid you not..it said if it was a childs room, remove child, closevwindow, tape around doorway, and call a HazMat worker.. Unbelievable..they push people to switch and then dont have dispozal sorted out.
I think paying Hazmat would cancel any savings over a decade or two..
 Lobbyists screwing us over for their interest...looks like to me..
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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2017, 02:30:50 PM »
Yup, cal and steve are right.  Energy consumption during manufacturing and disposal are very much a thing.  There is a term for it too!  Academic types are calling it "Real Cost Analysis" - and it traces the path of a consumer product all the way down to raw material extraction, in addition to that they also make statements on the impact of such things on regional societies.  I.E. African economic exploitation (not specifically motorcycle related, but a solid case point)
So when you measure up the amount of materials used and waste expelled by the lithium mining operation, and the local labor of such, the logistical efforts, et al.  It's easy to determine that much of what we take for granted is having a rather negative impact in many categories.

Care to guess how many middle eastern lives have been negativly impacted in efforts to control oil?
My guess is few more than lithium mining.
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2017, 02:41:46 PM »
Care to guess how many middle eastern lives have been negativly impacted in efforts to control oil?
My guess is few more than lithium mining.

I'd hazard a guess the war-death toll is a valid answer to your question.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2017, 04:32:10 PM »
I don't suffer nose bleeds James, I live too lowly a life. Your hypothesis always lack evidence for your opinions. As far as the corporations sticking it to me, hardly. I live rather comfortably thanks to them. And I still care about my fellow man; it's the way I was raised; to respect others.

You have the temerity to assail the OP without knowing a single thing about him. You've never met the guy, have no idea what his circumstances are, yet you immediately insult him with your petty little labels. You're the epitome of a disrespectful intolerant pissant. Go back to your wee little lab and live your fantasy life. You haven't the fist clue about the hypocrisies you defend.  ::)

Aa for that video, in its abstract, there are many plausible explanations a, as I said then, as I say now. Yet you are quick to call someone a hillbilly. Wow, how very mature and respectful of you. Pious Jim, that ought to be your new avatar. A$$hat.

Come on Cal. Read it again. This time without your emotions getting in the way.
I haven't said a single thing that's not true. I just say it with a creative flair.
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2017, 04:36:12 PM »
I'd hazard a guess the war-death toll is a valid answer to your question.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

Careful. We're wondering way off topic opening that box.
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2017, 04:50:51 PM »
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Come on Cal. Read it again. This time without your emotions getting in the way.
I haven't said a single thing that's not true. I just say it with a creative flair.
And since when did you resort to calling people names?
I remain emotionless when confronting people who blurt crap without the facts to substantiate their claims. I am not the only one reading this who has called you out for your distorted and fictitious assertions.

By the way, you're not that creative actually. Perhaps in your mind...
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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2017, 05:05:35 PM »
I remain emotionless when confronting people who blurt crap without the facts to substantiate their claims. I am not the only one reading this who has called you out for your distorted and fictitious assertions.

By the way, you're not that creative actually. Perhaps in your mind...

Facts? Fictitious assertions? Show me.

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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2017, 05:36:02 PM »
I remain emotionless when confronting people who blurt crap without the facts to substantiate their claims. I am not the only one reading this who has called you out for your distorted and fictitious assertions.

By the way, you're not that creative actually. Perhaps in your mind...

Facts? Fictitious assertions? Show me.

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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2017, 06:30:01 PM »
Personally I'd like to get an electric bike. 

For motorcycles it would be a real difficult sell though.  I get a very constant 45 on the R1200 GS, similar with the CBs and the Sabre.  That's a LOT of gas to buy before the electric bike becomes cost-effective.  The price for them would have to come down quite a bit and the range would have to go up a serious amount.

Not going to be able to charge the battery in the Rockies, whereas I can get gas dang near anywhere - even the South American boondocks.

For a car it's more of a reasonable sell. 
Rob
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