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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2017, 03:19:46 AM »

Funny you mention electric vehicles. My best friend since grade school is a master BMW technician and he was just telling me a story about this. Just recently he went for a class at their national training center and he noticed a large pile of batteries out back by the dumpster. When he asked the instructor what the deal was with them, the response was, "no one knows what to do with the old batteries, one of them is leaking and has become an environmental hazard." So there's the proof to back up your argument Cal. Those electric vehicles are going to pile up and then what? You can't just crush them.


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Steve,  the Lithium batteries are recycled here, surely they are in the US as well. Jim,  we  have massive deposits of lithium in Australia, no third world hands touch the stuff here...  8)
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« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2017, 03:50:52 AM »
Hey speaking of disposal, when the pigtail lightbulbs came out they pushed for everyone to convert.. But a lot of places had no disposal plan. I saw one blow and drop on an unoccupied table in a Starbux. I asked the girl who cleaned it up what brand it was, she said why ? I would have notified the manufacturer. At that time they were pretty new, i looked online to see clean up procedure..I kid you not..it said if it was a childs room, remove child, closevwindow, tape around doorway, and call a HazMat worker.. Unbelievable..they push people to switch and then dont have dispozal sorted out.
I think paying Hazmat would cancel any savings over a decade or two..
 Lobbyists screwing us over for their interest...looks like to me..

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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2017, 03:54:22 AM »
On another note, I think we all have that one friend who runs race fuel in everything? I know I do. Being behind him on the trails gets me seasick when he rides a two-stroke.


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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2017, 04:47:54 AM »
Jim,  we  have massive deposits of lithium in Australia, no third world hands touch the stuff here...  8)
Would you have us believe somehow Australia has been promoted from a Third World Country simply because they can recycle Lithium????  ;D
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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2017, 06:09:01 AM »
Here's a lithium mine in Bolivia.



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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2017, 09:48:00 AM »
You Sir, just spoke a mouth full of cold hard facts. i see it coming in the job i hold..

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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2017, 03:39:41 PM »
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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2017, 04:17:44 PM »
If it happens, then I'll be an outlaw
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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2017, 05:03:38 PM »
If it happens, then I'll be an outlaw
Good point. Maybe a truly justifiable outlaw motorcycle club is in the future.


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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2017, 05:25:33 PM »
If it happens, then I'll be an outlaw
Good point. Maybe a truly justifiable outlaw motorcycle club is in the future.

I'm in a motorcycle gang.  Technically - only by liberal definition of the lawful term "gang".

Still counts don't it?



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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2017, 06:08:33 PM »
Just a thought while sitting here after reading some stories about automotive bans in inner cities....
Will our old bikes someday be banned in certain areas?

I know when I drive my S2 or KH500 and haven't gotten the right fuel/oil mixture resulting in excessive smoke or
filled the oiltank with old 2cycle oil I had lying around instead of the newer "smokeless" 2cycle oil, some
politically correct Vermonter or tourist will complain to me about being behind me and having to breathe 
that "nasty polluting smoke". etc etc

PS. my son's cb550 also smokes a bit as it needs new rings (groan, a major job that I really don't want to tackle right now)   ::)
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You can hide behind your "Rights & Freedoms" BS all day long but others have rights too. Sounds more to me that your just inconsiderate and a bit of a tight wad.

As a representative of the motorcycling community do your part to uphold a positive image. Fix the oil burning CB550 and invest in some new "smokeless" 2 cycle oil. How difficult is that? Same holds true of the POS oil burning F150 running around town. No reason worn out vehicles should be pumping crap into the atmosphere. Purchasing newer and/or fixing current vehicles is good for the economy as well as the environment.

BTW, just so you know. The Interceptor started burning oil last summer. It's off the road until I rebuild the top end. That will hopefully happen this year (if I ever get off my a$$). It's the right thing to do. Period.
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Re: Will your bike be banned?
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2017, 06:37:11 PM »
Jim,  we  have massive deposits of lithium in Australia, no third world hands touch the stuff here...  8)
Would you have us believe somehow Australia has been promoted from a Third World Country simply because they can recycle Lithium????  ;D

And here I was thinking we hadn't found the Third World yet, Musk has Mars so that accounts for the second, unless there's something you're not telling us... ;D
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« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2017, 09:35:07 PM »
If it happens, then I'll be an outlaw
Good point. Maybe a truly justifiable outlaw motorcycle club is in the future.

I'm in a motorcycle gang.  Technically - only by liberal definition of the lawful term "gang".

Still counts don't it?

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« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2017, 07:16:24 PM »
I don't suffer nose bleeds James, I live too lowly a life. Your hypothesis always lack evidence for your opinions. As far as the corporations sticking it to me, hardly. I live rather comfortably thanks to them. And I still care about my fellow man; it's the way I was raised; to respect others.

You have the temerity to assail the OP without knowing a single thing about him. You've never met the guy, have no idea what his circumstances are, yet you immediately insult him with your petty little labels. You're the epitome of a disrespectful intolerant pissant. Go back to your wee little lab and live your fantasy life. You haven't the fist clue about the hypocrisies you defend.  ::)

As for that video, in its abstract, there are many plausible explanations a, as I said then, as I say now. Yet you are quick to call someone a hillbilly. Wow, how very mature and respectful of you. Pious Jim, that ought to be your new avatar. A$$hat.

Here's that clip. I case you forgot.


If your Coal Rolling in Colorado while heading to the SOHC4 Reunion, be careful.
They don't put up with no BS. Let's hope other jurisdictions follow suit.

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« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2017, 11:45:39 PM »
Apparently guys are modding their diesels to belch black with the flip of a switch.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/smoke-responsibly-and-roll-coal-the-right-way-with-these-truck-modification-options/

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« Reply #65 on: May 10, 2017, 02:52:54 AM »
I don't suffer nose bleeds James, I live too lowly a life. Your hypothesis always lack evidence for your opinions. As far as the corporations sticking it to me, hardly. I live rather comfortably thanks to them. And I still care about my fellow man; it's the way I was raised; to respect others.

You have the temerity to assail the OP without knowing a single thing about him. You've never met the guy, have no idea what his circumstances are, yet you immediately insult him with your petty little labels. You're the epitome of a disrespectful intolerant pissant. Go back to your wee little lab and live your fantasy life. You haven't the fist clue about the hypocrisies you defend.  ::)

As for that video, in its abstract, there are many plausible explanations a, as I said then, as I say now. Yet you are quick to call someone a hillbilly. Wow, how very mature and respectful of you. Pious Jim, that ought to be your new avatar. A$$hat.

Here's that clip. I case you forgot.


If your Coal Rolling in Colorado while heading to the SOHC4 Reunion, be careful.
They don't put up with no BS. Let's hope other jurisdictions follow suit.

http://www.bicycling.com/culture/coal-rolling-made-illegal-in-colorado


Hahahahahahaha! Awesome! 99% of cyclists are dickheads anyway.

Around here they act like they belong on the road more than regular traffic. It's amazing the respect that they get but skaters (inline or skateboard) are treated like garbage.


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« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2017, 02:54:56 AM »
Apparently guys are modding their diesels to belch black with the flip of a switch.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/smoke-responsibly-and-roll-coal-the-right-way-with-these-truck-modification-options/

I knew a guy who would kill his ignition on his cbr600 and crank the throttle a bunch, then throw it back on and rip flames down the road. Imagine a giant flaming turd, that was him.


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« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2017, 09:27:23 AM »
Apparently guys are modding their diesels to belch black with the flip of a switch.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/smoke-responsibly-and-roll-coal-the-right-way-with-these-truck-modification-options/

Yep, and they're called "complete #$%*ing #$%*s." Some states are prosecuting people for doing it, as they should.

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« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2017, 10:24:18 AM »
Apparently guys are modding their diesels to belch black with the flip of a switch.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/smoke-responsibly-and-roll-coal-the-right-way-with-these-truck-modification-options/

Yep, and they're called "complete #$%*ing #$%*s." Some states are prosecuting people for doing it, as they should.

Prosecuting on what standard?  To what avail?  Who is paying for enforcement?!

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« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2017, 11:07:54 AM »
Apparently guys are modding their diesels to belch black with the flip of a switch.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/smoke-responsibly-and-roll-coal-the-right-way-with-these-truck-modification-options/

Yep, and they're called "complete #$%*ing #$%*s." Some states are prosecuting people for doing it, as they should.

Prosecuting on what standard?  To what avail?  Who is paying for enforcement?!

AFAIK, just one ground for now: environmental. The switches and gear used to make those obnoxious and toxic clouds of smoke bypass emmisions equipment, and the EPA has stated it's a violation of the Clean Air Act. Illinois and Colorado have imposed fines, not sure about other states.

The second could be assault. That #$%* spewed toxic smoke in the faces of several bicyclists who were simply out for a ride, for no other reason than to be a complete #$%*. Let's say you were walking down the street, minding your own business, and I had a canister of foul smelling toxic gas and sprayed it into your face because I didn't like the t-shirt you were wearing. Kind of the same thing really, isn't it?

You're not seriously going to defend the practice as some kind of exercise of freedom, are you? Most deisel drivers are in concensus that the practice is not only #$%*ty and wasteful, but gives people who drive deisel trucks a bad reputation.

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« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2017, 11:32:26 AM »
That makes some sense CC.

Though any assault charges would be in the misdeanor category afaik.  A case could be made for the 4th degree.  I can't recall any other statues where "willful expulsion of exhaust fumes" would meet the definition of assault.

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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2017, 11:42:36 AM »
The second could be assault. That #$%* spewed toxic smoke in the faces of several bicyclists who were simply out for a ride, for no other reason than to be a complete #$%*. Let's say you were walking down the street, minding your own business, and I had a canister of foul smelling toxic gas and sprayed it into your face because I didn't like the t-shirt you were wearing. Kind of the same thing really, isn't it?

You're not seriously going to defend the practice as some kind of exercise of freedom, are you? Most deisel drivers are in concensus that the practice is not only #$%*ty and wasteful, but gives people who drive deisel trucks a bad reputation.
I subscribe to your point in general principle, Chicken. But I do see a parallel to these morons (those who would alter a vehicle intentionally to produce this exhaust) with those who burn the American flag, or march in protest to certain topics. I don't agree with either group, but one could argue that these "coal rollers" might be protesting their viewpoint that the EPA has overstepped their bounds. As absurd that notion is, it's a viable argument. Not a method or action I condone by any stretch, but certainly within their rights to do so.

As for someone to make a legitimate case of "assault" I think they would have to show document damage of physical harm. Else, I could wage charges of "assault" to all those strum pets who wear far too much, noxious perfume in public and offend my olfactory glands. Where would it end?

I say let's agree; they are behaving badly in public and with little regard for their fellow man. Perhaps social pressure is sufficient to persuade them to amend their immature ways. A good old dose of Catholic Guilt works wonders on even the most dim-witted of citizens when delivered properly. Now, where's my ruler...  8)
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« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2017, 12:07:37 PM »
The second could be assault. That #$%* spewed toxic smoke in the faces of several bicyclists who were simply out for a ride, for no other reason than to be a complete #$%*. Let's say you were walking down the street, minding your own business, and I had a canister of foul smelling toxic gas and sprayed it into your face because I didn't like the t-shirt you were wearing. Kind of the same thing really, isn't it?

You're not seriously going to defend the practice as some kind of exercise of freedom, are you? Most deisel drivers are in concensus that the practice is not only #$%*ty and wasteful, but gives people who drive deisel trucks a bad reputation.

I subscribe to your point in general principle, Chicken. But I do see a parallel to these morons (those who would alter a vehicle intentionally to produce this exhaust) with those who burn the American flag, or march in protest to certain topics. I don't agree with either group, but one could argue that these "coal rollers" might be protesting their viewpoint that the EPA has overstepped their bounds. As absurd that notion is, it's a viable argument. Not a method or action I condone by any stretch, but certainly within their rights to do so.

As for someone to make a legitimate case of "assault" I think they would have to show document damage of physical harm. Else, I could wage charges of "assault" to all those strum pets who wear far too much, noxious perfume in public and offend my olfactory glands. Where would it end?

I say let's agree; they are behaving badly in public and with little regard for their fellow man. Perhaps social pressure is sufficient to persuade them to amend their immature ways. A good old dose of Catholic Guilt works wonders on even the most dim-witted of citizens when delivered properly. Now, where's my ruler...  8)

I suppose, although the difference between burning a flag in protest and rolling coal is that the former is a statement targeting a policy but not directly targeting an individual. The latter may be a statement, but directly targets innocent individuals (who drive Priuses (Prii?), ride bikes, walk along the side of the road, etc.). "You want to clean up the air? Oh yeah? Watch me, I'm going to pollute even more!" Sure, Prius drivers can be high and mighty but who cares? Disclosure: I've owned two hybrids, a Civic and a CMax. I imagine part of their thinking is the whole conspiratorial "the-government-is-after-me-to-takeaway-my-rights-for nefarious-reasons," but even climate change deniers should be able to accept the fact that cleaner air to breathe is a good thing.

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« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2017, 12:49:33 PM »
I suppose, although the difference between burning a flag in protest and rolling coal is that the former is a statement targeting a policy but not directly targeting an individual. The latter may be a statement, but directly targets innocent individuals (who drive Priuses (Prii?), ride bikes, walk along the side of the road, etc.).
You're assertion that rolling coal is targeting individuals, not "regulations". I'm not defending what they do, not by any means. And I hope there is a deeper reason to their antics than simple to "offend". But isn't the purpose of protected rights to insure they can be exercised whatever the purpose? It's dangerous when any right is encumbered by those who are offended by it. Then, no right or person is safe long term. At some point, something you hold dear could be the target of opposition for political correctness or public good. Then what?

And who knows, maybe these lunkheads are protesting an issue they've had with cyclists, or pedestrians or regulations. I don't agree with their tactic, but I remain unwilling to infringe on their right to be a$$hats if that's what floats their boat on pristine seas. Just like the ungrateful pranks who burn flags or take a knee during the anthem. It's their right and Godspeed exercising it. Just don't ask me to support your ideals. Tolerate your actions; sure. Defend your right to do it; you bet. Support you; no chance.
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2017, 12:58:25 PM »
I suppose, although the difference between burning a flag in protest and rolling coal is that the former is a statement targeting a policy but not directly targeting an individual. The latter may be a statement, but directly targets innocent individuals (who drive Priuses (Prii?), ride bikes, walk along the side of the road, etc.).
You're assertion that rolling coal is targeting individuals, not "regulations". I'm not defending what they do, not by any means. And I hope there is a deeper reason to their antics than simple to "offend". But isn't the purpose of protected rights to insure they can be exercised whatever the purpose? It's dangerous when any right is encumbered by those who are offended by it. Then, no right or person is safe long term. At some point, something you hold dear could be the target of opposition for political correctness or public good. Then what?

And who knows, maybe these lunkheads are protesting an issue they've had with cyclists, or pedestrians or regulations. I don't agree with their tactic, but I remain unwilling to infringe on their right to be a$$hats if that's what floats their boat on pristine seas. Just like the ungrateful pranks who burn flags or take a knee during the anthem. It's their right and Godspeed exercising it. Just don't ask me to support your ideals. Tolerate your actions; sure. Defend your right to do it; you bet. Support you; no chance.

Each of us has the right to live as we see fit without the intrusion of assaults on our liberties - SO LONG AS our actions do not impede the rights of others to live their lives as they see fit.

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