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069A carb needle access
« on: May 14, 2017, 05:45:18 AM »
does anyone have any tricks up their sleeve for getting to the needles in the 069a or similar carbs, with the rack on the bike?

i found this here about PD carbs, but nothing about the older style: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,87367.0.html


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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 09:30:15 AM »
The 087a Carbs are the same mechanical style as the 069a with slightly different mixture settings.

In the thread you linked to, there is a process outlined by Duanob.

You will have to vacuum sync after doing this, btw.
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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 09:39:11 AM »
I had a helluva time trying to get the throttle linkages out of my A series carbs.  Even on the bench.

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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 01:23:12 PM »
thank you both. i'll give it a try with the duanob method. i don't mind the vacuum sync, it's the rest that sounds like it's going to be quite an operation  :-\

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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 04:23:30 PM »
Really not that bad.  I can get a carb rack off and back on in 20 min.  I think it would take longer if they were left on.
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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 12:29:34 AM »
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thank you both. i'll give it a try with the duanob method. i don't mind the vacuum sync, it's the rest that sounds like it's going to be quite an operation  :-\
Watch out that you don't loose the tiny black parts. Make sure to use the right JIS screwdriver for those two tiny screws in there. Some years ago I raised my needles from 3rd to 4th notch, but if I had to do it again, I'd preferred to use little shim rings to have them 'between' 3rd and 4th. Now it's a little bit on the rich side, but maybe I'm a perfectionist.
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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 01:39:44 AM »
what are the black parts, do you mean the needle clips?
i'm not sure yet if i "need" to go in there and will avoid it if i can, but want to be prepared as i have quite some adjustments to do with the new exhaust.

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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 12:44:28 PM »
You won't see those tiny black parts well displayed in the exploded views in the parts lists, if at all. They look like graphite or 'dropjes' (excuse my Dutch), are cuplike formed and clamp more or less the spherical part of the arm link. But please bear in mind that- at least in my experience - you can address almost every A/F issue in our carbs with mainjets, slow jets and adjusting the airscrews. In this here forum there's an awful lot of raising and lowering of needles going on and we see the same diagrams proudly presented over and over again. That's all theory. And that theory is also in the manuals like Clymer and others but many do not realise that the info in these manuals is often 'copy and paste' from other manuals issued by the same publisher, dealing with completely other bikes. If something is right for a Guzzi or Laverda, it doesn't mean that it's also every day practice for our models. Believe me, in the days that our bikes swarmed the roads, nobody would go at the needles. Why that was? Simply because the makers of aftermarket exhausts had done the effort to design them so that no rejetting was required and they advertised thus. But if you're tempted to a non OEM air intake, well, everything is possible and that is what you see a lot in this forum. It's a shame as long as the proven good quality airfilters are still available thanks to CMSNL, Dave Silver and others.
If you're curious (like I am) you probably wanna see it for yourself, but if you stay with stock parts, it can save you a lot of work.
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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 12:51:12 PM »
Adding to what delta mentioned about raising and lowering needles.  On some of the sohc carbs, there are only TWO clip positions to choose from.
069A are an exception, having four positions.

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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 01:00:46 PM »
If you're curious (like I am) you probably wanna see it for yourself, but if you stay with stock parts, it can save you a lot of work.

now you make me curious and i want to see those mysterious little black particles just to have seen them... at least once in my lifetime. i must resist, i must resist ;)

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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 01:18:05 PM »
what are the black parts, do you mean the needle clips?
i'm not sure yet if i "need" to go in there and will avoid it if i can, but want to be prepared as i have quite some adjustments to do with the new exhaust.

It goes between the pressure spring and the linkage arm ball inside the slide linkage. And if you change needle clip position don't change more than one position at a time. Unbelievable how much difference one position change makes.
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Re: 069A carb needle access
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 08:49:38 PM »
Adding to what delta mentioned about raising and lowering needles.  On some of the sohc carbs, there are only TWO clip positions to choose from.
069A are an exception, having four positions.

As far as I know, all of the 71-76 500/550 carbs (627B, 022A, 069A, etc...) have FIVE needle clip positions to chose from!

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