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Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« on: May 11, 2017, 09:14:46 PM »
I noticed today the 2 dowels in the cases where the base gasket and O rings fit, the dowels have small jet size holes in the centre where the oil is forced through, they were kinda half plugged up, has anyone drilled the holes larger so more oil will pass....if anyone is using 20/50 oil, the oil will not get to the camshaft on cold starts. Thats what could have happened in my case cam/tappet wear PO... I cleaned up the lobe and only lost 0.10 thou, got three tappets coming..
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 10:24:03 PM »
Just unplug those holes, and clean all oil passages. When you enlarge them, you'll lower oil pressure in the rest of the engine. The system was balanced quite nicely by Honda, or none of these bikes would have reached the age of 40!
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 11:41:19 PM »
Just unplug those holes, and clean all oil passages. When you enlarge them, you'll lower oil pressure in the rest of the engine. The system was balanced quite nicely by Honda, or none of these bikes would have reached the age of 40!

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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 12:44:04 AM »
I remember having read somewhere that Honda tested oils to see which one reached the cam first. Back then Castrol won. In the head it's where wear takes place the most and engineers say that every cold start causes more wear than some 200 km of riding. For shorter distances use a moped or a pedal bike. I have 4 pedal bikes for different goals and I'm considering to buy a speedelec.
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 07:09:23 AM »
Is there any advantage to use Shell Rotella T6 synthetic 5/40 over regular 10/40 to help stop top end wear
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 11:55:28 AM »
then your clutch is vearing aut and the gear shifter. gets hard.or dies..this bikes like only old types of oil not full syntetic..they like to boil the oil..vater colled is nicer to hold the syntetic alive for long...så bay the cheap stuff..and thange often..this is the best formular on this type of bikes..a klean oil dont clock the tiny holes
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 01:02:56 PM »
Why do you believe top end wear is a big problem? The heads have oil pools that the cams splash around in, these provide oil during the first seconds of running when pressure is low.
Aware of the insanity of risking the crazy oil thread curse, I still recommend the Rotella T6. SAE5 is too thin for these engines but it thickens up quickly as the engine heats... and these engines heat up quickly. I don't recommend full throttle to redline on a cold engine with any oil.
Synthetic oil is not some mad science experiment. Molecules very similar, maybe identical, to those in petroleum oil are assembled from smaller molecules of a base chemical. The difference is that synthetic oil molecules are very consistent, refined petroleum oil has many different molecule types and sizes. The consistent molecular structure allows consistent behavior over varying temperatures.
Using diesel oil gets you increased zinc and phosphorous, both are good for reducing wear on our slipper tappets and cams. Automotive oils have had these reduced radically as modern engines don't need them (and they cause pollution somehow... maybe crud up catalytic converters or something?).
So basically Rotella T6 has worthwhile benefits. There are stories about problems using synthetic, presumably true. I have used true full synthetic oil (most big brand synthetics are actually a blend, "synthetic" on the bottle means squat... Amsoil is real full synthetic, the super expensive European brand synthetics in bike shops are, I think Spectro synthetic is too) in SOHC4 engines for many years with zero problems. The first time I poured it in, that bike immediately idled and ran better -
 and quieter. You may find problems, the common one is oil leaks getting worse... all I can say is that this hasn't happened to me.

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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 01:22:58 PM »
A pure mineral oil is hard to come by nowadays. Even the 15W-40 Castrol High Mileage is semi-synthetic (and was from the beginning). If you wanna do longer with your oil, avoid short rides.
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 04:37:20 AM »
Is there any advantage to use Shell Rotella T6 synthetic 5/40 over regular 10/40 to help stop top end wear
The "5" is a weather rating. The "40" is a viscosity rating. 5/40 will protect your engine from cold temps, but 10/40 from colder temps.

If you have the head off, and discovered clogged oil jets, you would be well served to remove as many of the oil galley plugs and fully flush the head to eliminate future possible problems. That's a risk with a new "used" bike; you never know the care it saw before you acquired it.

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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 07:21:28 AM »
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Why do you believe top end wear is a big problem? The heads have oil pools that the cams splash around in, these provide oil during the first seconds of running when pressure is low.
For all I know only the CB350/400F keeps oil remaining up there, but I could be wrong. Anyway, cams suffer the most wear at idle. So better a what higher idle to be on the safe side.
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 09:24:07 AM »
550 also has oil "pools" under the cam. but i agree on not idling too much and setting idle a bit higher.

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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 09:29:26 AM »
The "5" is a weather rating. The "40" is a viscosity rating. 5/40 will protect your engine from cold temps, but 10/40 from colder temps.

is that so? i thought 5W40 was made for lower starting temp than 10W40 and therefore would be thinner at lower temp.

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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 10:37:01 AM »
I was taught that the first number was the base stock oil weight rating and the second number was how the oil behaved when it got warm/hot.

So, 5W-40  would be a 5 weight oil with modifiers added to make it behave like a 40 weight oil when it was at operating temperature.  At least until the oil additives wore out.  Then you have a 5W oil behavior at all temps.

I would like to understand why the oil selection isn't made using Honda recommendations, assuming you have a built as stock motor with normal bearing clearances.

Perhaps in the arctic 5W would be a good thing (or necessity).  Then you could freeze your nubs off without undue motor wear.  :)
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Re: Oil pressure to camshaft 550
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2017, 11:45:34 AM »
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550 also has oil "pools" under the cam.
It all depends where the little drain holes are. When they're at the bottom of the "pools", oil will drain mostly, if drain holes are a bit elevated, some oil will stay in the "pools". I didn't study it on mine, but I take Flatlanders word for it that it was well designed.
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