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« on: May 13, 2017, 09:38:20 AM »
Hi guys. I opened for maintenance my OEM airbox and I found the pipes to carburator bent in such manner.
This pipes were replaced 16 months ago by my mechanician they are still gummy except where they are bent..

Where the pipe is bent the gum seem to be harder.. they seem to be bent by heat but I'm unsure...

anyone has expericiend such problem ? Thanks.




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Re: comeltoeing air cleaner tube
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2017, 11:32:03 AM »
Tagging this thread for interest. I noticed when I installed mine that they do bump up against a hard surface, but it only seemed to make it out-of-round, rather than a bump like this. I wonder if heat and fumes could've caused an expansion...

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2017, 12:09:24 PM »
Thanks. I put another picture

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2017, 12:36:48 PM »
I see you said the box is OEM but are the connecting tubes OEM that may make a difference?

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 12:52:36 PM »
I think they are original.. they are cheap. Tomorrow i will check better but i didn t see any writing on them

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 01:15:47 PM »
Looks like they were pushed against the separator. (#3)
Are you sure the air box was assembled correctly? Is it missing any pieces?
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 03:47:50 PM »
 I will bet that if you look at most old air boxes that still have the original rubber manifolds in there you will see that most are not perfectly round anymore or that is what I have noticed anyways. Gas fumes,heat and time do take its toll after 40 years. 

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 04:14:54 PM »
I had to look at this thread just because of the title. ;D
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 04:28:38 PM »
I had to look at this thread just because of the title. ;D
Good to know that I'm not the only one here with prurient interests.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 04:31:49 PM »
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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 07:18:13 PM »
I will bet that if you look at most old air boxes that still have the original rubber manifolds in there you will see that most are not perfectly round anymore or that is what I have noticed anyways. Gas fumes,heat and time do take its toll after 40 years.

You missed that he mentions they are only 16 months old.
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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 11:04:47 PM »
Looks like they were pushed against the separator. (#3)
Are you sure the air box was assembled correctly? Is it missing any pieces?

Hi. the tubes were installed correctly (tubes groove was matching the air box, therefore not posible to install them against the separator)

Further, where there is the neck, the bending, the material is much harder than the rest of the pipe.

I dismantled air box to check why the carbs are losing gasoline from drains and mainfols(gasoline was weting the airbox) , now I'm very confused because seem in this forum no one has experiencied this, what I do? Thanks
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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2017, 01:12:52 AM »
hi . I think that this problem is due to the gasoline coming from the carbs.
The fuel petcock is not working well and the needles of 3 carbs too and therefore the 3 pipes were often wet by gasoline.
Btw I wonder that, even if is an after market component (OEM not available anymore?), the pipe get like this with some gasoline in only few months.

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2017, 01:31:08 AM »
Is there any system to bend them back to original position?

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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2017, 04:27:14 AM »
 Did he buy original Honda tubes or are they an aftermarket brand. I see where some of those  carb to head manifolds out there in the aftermarket world are not holding up well.  Sorry missed the 16 months old thing.

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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2017, 04:39:08 AM »
I've seen this before, they harden with time as well. I'm thinking ethanol....Had a k/n filter
shrink and harden to the point where it wouldn't fit the airbox correctly any more as well.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2017, 05:18:35 AM »
At least they aren't mooseknuckling.


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Re: cameltoeing air cleaner pipe
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 09:59:49 AM »
While packing for my move, I found some original rubber stack rubbers.  The bottoms near the air filter were hardened and distorted somewhat relative to the remaining circumference.  It is not nearly as bad as what was pictured above.

I suspect the atomized fuel leaches the plasticizers out of the rubber aking them hard.  But, before losing the plasticizer solvents, the gasoline additives bolster the solvents and initially make the rubber even softer.  Then the airflow/differential pressure distorts them, and they harden in that position as the solvents get sucked away.

We don't know if the replacement rubber compound is the same as that made in the Honda supplied units.  Perhaps it is more sensitive to today's gasoline formulation.

But, clearly the distorted rubber bits are not ideal.  And replacement is likely in the path to recovery.  But, rubber and plastic sometimes respond favorably with heat.

I would (and probably will after my move) make a round form/ collar from hardware store pipe for the distorted parts, and use a heat gun to see if the part can be reformed.  If so, the "when cooled" hardness ought to work in your favor to prevent distortion in the future.

I think it's worth a try.
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