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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2017, 08:53:04 PM »
Super interesting! Are they lighter compared to stock rods?

Since this question remains unanswered, one might conclude that either the weight is unknown or it is not a good selling point.


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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2017, 12:22:49 PM »
You in for the second set KMB?

The Crowers were not light, more than stock BUT a much better rod. The Carillos were each about an ounce less than stock if I remember correctly. I guess there's just one way to find out, huh?! It gets down to grams for dollars.
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2017, 01:38:56 PM »
You in for the second set KMB?

The Crowers were not light, more than stock BUT a much better rod. The Carillos were each about an ounce less than stock if I remember correctly. I guess there's just one way to find out, huh?! It gets down to grams for dollars.
More than that Jerry...... closer to 2 ounces. ;)
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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2017, 02:21:52 PM »
I wish they had these when I was shopping for super rods.
Just do another build! Difficult to resist mechanical goodies:)
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Re: Don't tell any one you saw this .....
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2017, 02:36:47 PM »
You in for the second set KMB?

The Crowers were not light, more than stock BUT a much better rod. The Carillos were each about an ounce less than stock if I remember correctly. I guess there's just one way to find out, huh?! It gets down to grams for dollars.
More than that Jerry...... closer to 2 ounces. ;)

Not exactly apples and apples since this info came from a guy I know working with some 1100 parts, but the Carrillo is 41.5 grams or just under 1.5 ounces lighter than stock, the Crower Ti is 99 grams or just under 3.5 ounces lighter than stock, and the Crower Ti is 57.5 grams or just over 2 ounces lighter than the Carrillo.  ;)  8)

The newer version Carrillo may be even a little bit lighter.  ???

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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2017, 02:42:31 PM »
You in for the second set KMB?
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Not likely as I am working on all out racing stuff and Jay says these are for hot street motors.  ;)


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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2017, 05:52:41 AM »
That's an earlier version of the Carrillo in the pic. Newer style have a taper near the small end and weigh 314 grams. ;)
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2017, 06:27:14 AM »
 You can't beat the Titanium Rod though.
It just flat out-performs all others.

The real thing that makes it such a winner is it's  very low reciprocating number.
(Not to be confused with the rotational figure)

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2017, 09:22:43 AM »
That's an earlier version of the Carrillo in the pic. Newer style have a taper near the small end and weigh 314 grams. ;)

I think Mike is quoting weight for 750 rods. The rod weights in the picture are for 1100 rods that are a bit longer.


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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2017, 09:37:27 AM »
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It gets down to grams for dollars.

It ALWAYS takes "cubic dollars" to make "big power"!  ;)
Yep, the Ti rods are OVER $600.00 EACH!  :o
Kinda get what you pay for!

4 sets of Jay's rods versus 1 set of Ti's, PRICEWISE.  ;D

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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2017, 12:15:20 PM »
That's an earlier version of the Carrillo in the pic. Newer style have a taper near the small end and weigh 314 grams. ;)

I think Mike is quoting weight for 750 rods.
The rod weights in the picture are for 1100 rods that are a bit longer.
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2017, 12:20:06 PM »
You can't beat the Titanium Rod though.
It just flat out-performs all others.

The real thing that makes it such a winner is it's  very low reciprocating number.
(Not to be confused with the rotational figure)

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It certainly makes for a much smoother running engine when the crank and pistons are balanced. Realized this with a set of Jet Ti rods.
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Re: Don't tell any one you saw this .....
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2017, 01:29:00 PM »


Coming soon from APE
Honda CB750 "Hot Street Rod"
Designed to fill the gap between oem rods and Carillo H Beams.
Designed for the street hot rod that needs the added security of a non oem rod, but doesn't need a full on race rod.
100% machined from 4340 billet steel and heat treated. APR 12 point bolts round out the package.
HSR750 Will debut at under $600 a set.

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Any chance APE will make these for the 550?
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Re: Don't tell any one you saw this .....
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2017, 05:32:40 PM »
Now if Jay would make a run of wrist pins.....
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2017, 06:12:39 PM »
Ahh, glad you mentioned wrist pins Dana. I need a set to fit 72 mm pistons along with some Teflon buttons.

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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2017, 07:19:20 PM »
I emailed Jay, they are not going to make anymore wrist pins for our bikes, said there was no demand.   My new pistons from MTC came with teflon buttons, maybe they have some extras?     Maybe we could con Jay into a run if we had enough people wanting some wrist pins.  I have new ones from MTC but I would like the piece of mind of having  APE wrist pins.  He turned a set of aluminum buttons for my 970 motor to go with their pins,  the buttons fit tight in the pins so no hassle of keeping the buttons from falling out while assembly.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2017, 07:24:41 PM »
I emailed Jay, they are not going to make anymore wrist pins for our bikes, said there was no demand.   My new pistons from MTC came with teflon buttons, maybe they have some extras?

Thank man. I'll check with them tomorrow. We've seen what happens when a wrist pin fails.

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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2017, 08:35:38 PM »
Those non tapered tool steel APE wrist pins are very, very heavy just where you don't want the weight. The wrist pins in JE or Wiseco are OK 99% of the time especially in these low power engines.
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2017, 08:49:47 PM »
I would think by now, they must have the scale fixed ...
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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2017, 09:02:39 PM »
The question you need to ask is "how many sets do we need to order for you to make a run" and round up enough buyers.
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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2017, 09:21:51 AM »
200, I checked long ago......
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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2017, 06:22:28 PM »
When we do the pins, we have to run a bunch of different sizes. Can't do just 15mm. Our biggest movers now are the Top Fuel Harleys. And each one only takes two.

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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2017, 04:19:07 PM »


Coming soon from APE
Honda CB750 "Hot Street Rod"
Designed to fill the gap between oem rods and Carillo H Beams.
Designed for the street hot rod that needs the added security of a non oem rod, but doesn't need a full on race rod.
100% machined from 4340 billet steel and heat treated. APR 12 point bolts round out the package.
HSR750 Will debut at under $600 a set.

Jay,
Any chance APE will make these for the 550?
Don

FYI - Jay replied.  Not unless there's an order for 25 sets.  I can understand that they do not want to make that level of run that makes financial sense unless they know they can sell them.  So if everyone wants to pool into a group buy.  . . .
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2017, 01:47:11 PM »
Now taking orders for early to mig August delivery. Introductory price  $599.00

Call 661-256-7307   ir e-mail sales@aperaceparts.com.     First come first serve.

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« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2017, 01:13:05 PM »

FYI - Jay replied.  Not unless there's an order for 25 sets.  I can understand that they do not want to make that level of run that makes financial sense unless they know they can sell them.  So if everyone wants to pool into a group buy.  . . .

I doubt that would be worth the money, unless you were planning on going over 70hp.  The rods are plenty stout for the 550 power levels.  I talked with an old guy that used to race a 550 at the drags, believe it or not, and he was running the stockers on a turbo setup.  IIRC he said he'd had them peened, but that was it.
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