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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #200 on: November 01, 2006, 06:16:42 AM »
All the talk about "cutoff's" and various ways to block the flow of oil to the cooler, made me think. I bought a complete oil cooler setup from an 83 cb650, including adapter plate, filter cover, bolt, the cooler, and lines still attached to the cooler and plate. It doesn't have any sort of cutoff that i can see. Am i missing something?

Terry: Do you utilize a cutoff on your cooler setups?

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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #201 on: November 01, 2006, 10:27:34 AM »
#$%*.......

Try South texas in the summer...........

Think hell with the flames missing.  ;D ;D

Girlfriend is from Austin and I lived in New Orleans for a long while so I know the heat. Traffic in the south is nothing like traffic in NYC. It once took me 3 hours to get to New Jersey via the holland tunnel at 12:00 at night. Had a cb750 and a 550  in the south and neither one had the overheating problems I have had in NYC traffic - it is unmerciful.

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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #202 on: November 01, 2006, 12:17:01 PM »
Girlfriend is from Austin and I lived in New Orleans for a long while so I know the heat. Traffic in the south is nothing like traffic in NYC. It once took me 3 hours to get to New Jersey via the holland tunnel at 12:00 at night. Had a cb750 and a 550 and neither one had the overheating problems I have had in NYC traffic - it is unmerciful.

Terry - When I get to the engine part of my cb cafe project - expect an order from me.

No worries mate! ;D

All the talk about "cutoff's" and various ways to block the flow of oil to the cooler, made me think. I bought a complete oil cooler setup from an 83 cb650, including adapter plate, filter cover, bolt, the cooler, and lines still attached to the cooler and plate. It doesn't have any sort of cutoff that i can see. Am i missing something?

Terry: Do you utilize a cutoff on your cooler setups?

G'Day Mate, yes I do, the coolers that I use now have a very simple system of flat tubing or "rows". There are two larger dia rows in the cooler that allow colder, thicker oil to bypass the narrower cooling "rows", and return to the engine. When the oil gets hotter, it thins, so it will then pass through the cooling rows.

Very simple indeed, and a lot cheaper than a dedicated thermostatically controlled cutoff, which of course will fail eventually, just like the thermostat in your car's cooling system.  ;D

Do stock bikes need an oil cooler? Well, 90% of the dead engines that I've seen over my 28 year ownership of CB750's have been due to oil failure. Most of these bikes were stockers, some had been neglected, but most had just been ridden.

Unlike the big Kawasakis and Suzukis of the era with roller bearing cranks, our bikes were not "bullet-proof", and I started out this whole cooler thing because I wanted to protect my stock engine. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to know that a cooler will extend the life of ANY engine, that's why most big air cooled bikes have them fitted as standard nowadays. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #203 on: November 01, 2006, 03:49:18 PM »
I will agree with terry only because hes an Aussie and has no idea of what snow is!1
Yes To keep abike engine running well forever you need Clean Air Clean Fuel but mostly clean lubricating oil.
The oil is no good if it gets too hot infact it has the ability to be a hinderance than to possess the good oil.
OIL Coolers are a must in Australia where the place gets hot as Arizona or Texas ( Witchita Falls comes to mind). if not hotter in some places.
To keep the oil cool and clean you need a great big filter or a centrifuge and a good oil cooler.
One that does not blast more hot exit air all over the front of the engine. A little baffling may help.
I have an idea of putting one behine the engine above the starter motor and having the supply come from the Return line from the scavange pump then back to the return line fitting on the bottom of the oil resiviour tank.
Any one have any ideas of a centrifical oil filter for the front ?
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #204 on: November 01, 2006, 06:47:12 PM »
Lots of replies already here but . . . .I run a DOHC 650 oil cooler with an aftermarket adapter plate underneath the filter housing.  Best as I can tell the DOHC 650 plate will not fit the 750 engine (clearance issues with the oil fittings) I noticed some preignition on warm days with my 836 prior to installing the oil cooler.  No more pinging now.  As to added horsepower. . . If you need to retard the timing or over richen the mixture to prevent knocking (frequent running with knocking will reduce your HP by 100%) then you are loosing potential power.  A cooler can keep oil temps in check and eliminate the need to "detune" the engine to prevent damage.  . .. .  I run a Lockhart 180ish degree thermostat on my setup and the cooler is out of the picture until the oil gets up to temp.  Some of the Derale oil radiators have built in active thermostats.  As Terry's mentions some are designed with "passive" thermostat to minimize unwanted oil cooling but I personally like the idea of keeping the flow of oil to the cooler off completely until it is needed.    Overall, unless you live in a cold climate, I can't really see running a modified higher HP, higher compression engine without a cooler.  That and high octane gas.

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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #205 on: November 01, 2006, 06:56:02 PM »
As to the 650 plate fitting............

They will but they require some milling and a longer bolt.
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #206 on: November 01, 2006, 09:28:32 PM »
Hey Terry,,are ya out there?....I'm going to have to drop my order for the cooler for now...but I will be back up for it as soon as the job situation improves. Damn!!!.... I was this close  <.> but my boss #$%*d up today about a pay raise that has been due to me for too long and I finally had to tell him to step aside while I load my tools! #$%* happens...I'll get back to you soon.
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #207 on: November 01, 2006, 10:57:13 PM »
Hey Terry,,are ya out there?....I'm going to have to drop my order for the cooler for now...but I will be back up for it as soon as the job situation improves. Damn!!!.... I was this close  <.> but my boss #$%*d up today about a pay raise that has been due to me for too long and I finally had to tell him to step aside while I load my tools! #$%* happens...I'll get back to you soon.

No worries mate, I'll have one here when you're ready, sorry to hear about the job situation mate, I hope you find something better straight away! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #208 on: November 01, 2006, 11:34:34 PM »
Bosses need oil coolers too.
But most of them have the personality of a cardboard box when it comes to bedside manners with their troops.
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #209 on: November 01, 2006, 11:59:19 PM »
Bosses need oil coolers too.
But most of them have the personality of a cardboard box when it comes to bedside manners with their troops.
Dave

I don't think they have to go to bed with their "troops" Dave, I think that's just a Navy thing?  ;D
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #210 on: November 02, 2006, 05:20:57 AM »
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #211 on: November 02, 2006, 06:38:58 AM »
i guess you would have to ask a squid.
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #212 on: November 02, 2006, 07:58:06 AM »
I'm interested in the cooler now too.  Quick qustion.  Do you need to increase your oil capacity when running a cooler?  Normal CB550 is 3.1 US Quarts.

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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #213 on: November 02, 2006, 03:52:21 PM »
I would suspect that you have to add oil to match the increased capacity made by the cooler and lines.

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« Reply #214 on: November 02, 2006, 06:17:04 PM »
i guess you would have to ask a squid.

....because it takes longer to pick up. ;D

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« Reply #215 on: November 02, 2006, 08:52:11 PM »
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Re: To oil cooler or not to oil cooler
« Reply #216 on: November 06, 2006, 04:06:47 PM »
Here you go guys, your opportunity to buy a (very collectable) genuine "Telcool MK2" complete oil cooler kit for your sohc4, machined from the finest aircraft quality alloy billet, by a highly skilled machinist, (well, me actually.......... ;D) at a bargain price! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #217 on: December 19, 2006, 01:14:21 PM »
I installed one of Terry’s oil coolers today and now my oil light comes on.
I took one of the lines loose from the oil cooler and the engine pumped oil through.
My oil pressure gauge shows pressure...
I have an 836cc overbore and got the cooler to help me out not kill my oil flow.

Any ideas?
« Last Edit: December 19, 2006, 02:55:30 PM by Andoo »

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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #218 on: December 19, 2006, 01:21:05 PM »
where you have it mounted can make a difference... where is it now?
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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #219 on: December 19, 2006, 01:27:26 PM »
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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #220 on: December 19, 2006, 01:30:15 PM »
try crossing the lines  ;D  at least it will match your pipes.

no but seriously, can you get it any lower? and i mean it would have to be much more than just above the pipes to make a difference.

btw, you check the oil?
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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #221 on: December 19, 2006, 01:33:02 PM »
is that picture from your bike because i don't see any hose clamps
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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #222 on: December 19, 2006, 01:34:36 PM »
What does your pressure gauge read? The oil light should not come on if you are reading 5lbs or more at the gauge, cold start pressure is usually around 60lbs at the gauge.

    If you are reading 10lbs or more at the gauge then I would suspect the trouble is with the pressure switch wiring or the switch itself that just happened to coincide with the installation of your cooler.

    Just saw your pic and your cooler is mounted lower than mine already, wouldn't think your position would cause the oil light issue.
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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #223 on: December 19, 2006, 01:38:17 PM »
no thats not my bike and i do have hose clamps. I also toped off the oil, I wish it was something that simple.  :-[

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Re: Oil cooler caused oil pressure light
« Reply #224 on: December 19, 2006, 01:42:53 PM »
What does your pressure gauge read? The oil light should not come on if you are reading 5lbs or more at the gauge, cold start pressure is usually around 60lbs at the gauge.

    If you are reading 10lbs or more at the gauge then I would suspect the trouble is with the pressure switch wiring or the switch itself that just happened to coincide with the installation of your cooler.

    Just saw your pic and your cooler is mounted lower than mine already, wouldn't think your position would cause the oil light issue.

I am running 60lbs at 3,000 rpm as the manual suggests as normal operating pressure. On a cold start up I am about 60lbs as well. Were is the oil pressure switch located as opposed to the oil pressure gauge? What if the oil pressure switch is after the gauge and this is why I show good pressure but with the light on?