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Offline LoopsAndLogic

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #250 on: March 01, 2007, 09:10:10 PM »
It didn't come with an additional adapter, but it did come with a much longer oil filter bolt. It almost looks like
the stock 400F bolt but with more threads. Is that okay??

It also has 2 or 3 more holes in the filter bolt. Should I weld them shut so it's the same number of holes as my 400f?
      Or is it ok?

I could post a picture if it would help?

I wonder why theres a hole in the plate? Shouldn't that be plugged so that the oil runs through the oil lines, and not that hole??

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #251 on: March 01, 2007, 09:18:06 PM »
Is the longer bolt just longer by the extra depth of the cooler adapter?  Do the threads match (does it thread into your block nice and easy)?

I assume your stock 400F oil cover mates perfectly to the adapter?
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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #252 on: March 02, 2007, 05:43:41 AM »
my 500K1 oil filter plate would not accept the adapter for this type of cooler, I had to cut it off and buy a base plate from terry in oz to use the cooler.

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #253 on: March 02, 2007, 06:36:25 AM »
I purchased a similar (650 nighthawk not sure of the year) item on Ebay to be used on my 750 project. . . .On the 750 the contours of the motor interfered with the contours of the adapter plate so it would not sit properly on the filter flange.  This may or may not be an issue with the 400.  I do not know whether or not the holes you speak of will be an issue.  A longer oil filter bolt will work but it is not as ideal as an adapter bolt that holds the cooler plate solid to the oil filter flange.  The center hole in your adpater plate may not be large enough for an adapter bolt anyway.  Just make sure that the adapter plate doesn't slop around on the flange surface, if it does then you are probably missing a bushing.  Basically, if you use the long bolt method, when you change your oil, in addition to the oil filter case, the oil cooler adapter will also loose its seal to the motor and it may be a bit more leak prone.  Putting in a new oring each time, or perhaps alternating between changing the fliter case oring and the adapter plate oring each time you change the oil might be an option.  I ended up using the 650 nighthawk oil radiator and the top right angle fittings on my 750.  If you cut the metal clips that hold the center rubber hoses to the metal fittings you can pull the rubber hoses off.  There is a barb on the end of the metal fittings so slipping on new hoses and clamping them (fuel injection hose clamps are best) works nicely. The rubber hoses run down the center of the engine close to each other and then tie into a lockhart thermostat (which has its hose connections close together) and then continue down to an aftermarket adpater plate.  This setup works nicely and looks neat and tidy.  Hope some of this helps!

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #254 on: March 02, 2007, 07:49:56 AM »
Strange adapter plate IMO. The hole through the plate bypasses the cooler, so there would be less flow restriction I suppose. Maybe it's a rather restrictive cooler and they need this hole to avoid oil pressure drop? Possible the hole even has a thermostatic effect, with more oil going through the cooler as the oil wams and gets thinner?
The big bolt is a bit of a mystery. As long as the holes line up to all be inside the actual filter - between the end seals - with the filter in its working position, it should be OK. The standard bolt includes a pressure activated filter bypass to allow oil flow with a clogged filter, I wouldn't want to do without it: does your bolt have this valve?
Personally, if it fits at all on your engine - I forsee trouble with the frame tube and exhaust headers but it might be OK - I would try plugging that hole by attaching an aluminum plate on the engine side with a couple of small screws, and then check the main gallery oil pressure. If it's comparable to the stock filter-only pressure I'd run it like that. If it's much lower I'd unblock the hole and use it as is.
The best approach IMO is to get a Terry's or similar adapter and use braided oil lines that you can fit to suit your bike, the cooler looks to have standard threads but the adapter has those plate things. The cooler should be fine, if it is too restrictive you can drill a similar hole through the separating plate easily enough - or get a new cooler too?

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #255 on: March 04, 2007, 08:55:35 AM »
My bolt has the bypass valve. It is longer and has No play between the adapter plate.

The filter housings are the same size as the 400, so couldn't I use the Honda Hawk one? Or should I not?

How would I check the main gallery oil pressure?

The oil seal on the adapter is no problem. I would only be using this cooler when the really hot weather hits. 80F and above.

Should I look for a lockhart thermostat or would I not need it because of the warmer weather I would be driving in?

Eurban, would you mind posting a picture of your setup?

I will be posting pictures later of the longer bolt.

Thank you for the help,
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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #256 on: March 05, 2007, 12:21:42 PM »
If it all fits, just use the hawk cover and filter - or is it actually the same filter as the SOHC4s use?
Measuring gallery oil pressure is not hard. There's a cast round plug forward from the points cover with a large hex head, that's the main oil gallery across the engine. Remove it and you can drill and tap a 1/8NPT thread in the middle of the hex. Then just screw in a pressure gauge, check pressure with and without the cooler, then put in a threaded 1/8NPT plug when you're done. Or fit up a permanent oil pressure gauge if you like. A cheap gauge is OK for testing but you need an oil filled (glycerin filled?) anti-vibration type for long-term use... or use an electronic one with a sender unit.
I wouldn't worry about overcooling the engine. If you're riding in freezing weather you can jam some cardboard in front of the cooler if you want to "shut it off". Fitting a lockhart thermostatic valve is really tough in the space available. I have one and every now and then I take it out of the box and try to find a spot to put it, haven't managed it yet.

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #257 on: March 05, 2007, 01:34:25 PM »
Here's a pic of my setup . . .its a bit tough to get a good shot with the front wheel in the way though. . . .The Lockhart thermostats aren't cheap (probably at least $80) but there is no way I'm going to the trouble of swapping in and out the cooler depending on the time of year.  I also don't like the idea of slowing down the oils inital warm up process  any time of the year so the thermostat seemed like the only way to go.  There are also oil cooler bypass valves that you mount in line and you simply close the valve when you don't want the cooler to do its thing.  As with most OEM Honda Parts, the 650 nighthawk radiator is well built and the location of the hose connections when combined with the OEM top 90 degree bends worked perfectly with the thermostat. 

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Re: Oil Cooler Help?
« Reply #258 on: March 05, 2007, 11:37:55 PM »
Sorry that I didn't read the rest of the replies.

This was another of my secret tricks. The length of the bolt can be an issue but if I recall correctly, it will swap as a "unit" ie bolt. housing etc from the donor.
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MOD Quad inline oil cooler $17 is it worth it or just "cool" looking
« Reply #259 on: May 23, 2007, 12:32:32 PM »
http://www.toyzforthebigboyz.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=165

Comes in 3 colors, REd, Blue, and Silver & sizes 1" & 2" so far that I've found.


I hear all this talk about oil cooler converstion for $70 or so but what about this one?

When I had a Suzuki TL-1000R, the bike would get so hot at stop lights I would just cut off the engine.

Anyhow,  I'm thinkin' of putting this inline somewhere because I needed a filler to get free shipping over $75.


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Re: MOD Quad inline oil cooler $17 is it worth it or just "cool" looking
« Reply #260 on: May 23, 2007, 12:41:03 PM »
I wouldn't buy that crap.  Now, the polished dipstick (if it fits CB's), on the other hand, I would buy.
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Re: MOD Quad inline oil cooler $17 is it worth it or just "cool" looking
« Reply #261 on: May 23, 2007, 12:46:26 PM »
Well, it wouldn't hurt. Assuming it fits your oil line. I don't think the 750 oil lines are out in the wind to really get much cooling effect. Any other bike you'll need an adapter plate too.

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Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #262 on: May 26, 2007, 07:52:56 PM »
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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #263 on: May 26, 2007, 08:00:37 PM »
mark area use it please  ;D thank you

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #264 on: May 26, 2007, 08:34:32 PM »
Use in oil tank, replaces oil cap.
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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #265 on: May 26, 2007, 11:04:45 PM »
do these things really work......and if so do they make 1 for a 77  550 ???
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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #266 on: May 26, 2007, 11:11:13 PM »
Can't see it being that effective ???

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #267 on: May 26, 2007, 11:23:04 PM »

they can't be too effective

 Just like the heat pipes in computers now, pretty much just move the heat up to the top, but there's not enough surface area to realy keep the oil cool, and it's behind your leg, so, out of the airflow.

 Think you'd have as much, if not more, cooling if you welded some fins to the oil tank and ran without a side cover.

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #268 on: May 26, 2007, 11:38:33 PM »
Looks too small to replace the oil cap on the reservoir, maybe the drain screw?  Main galley plug?
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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #269 on: May 27, 2007, 04:36:10 AM »
Is that realy an oil cooler or is it cosmetic ?

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #270 on: May 27, 2007, 05:23:24 AM »
I think it's a joke and will not lower the oil temps by even 1 degree. There is just not enough surface area for the oil to transfer it's heat to and then there is very minimal surface for exchange to the atmoshere.

Get one of Terry's oil coolers if you want to reduce the heat and wear. I figure this thing pulls as much as 80F+ away from the bike's oil supply based on comaprisons with other bikes without the cooler. An hour of hard riding on a CB500 Four,  a TX650, or a CB350G will yield oil temps in the 250~265 range. My built-up 836 with cooler hits a max of 183 and cylinder temps of 200~210, well within range of my water-cooled bikes.

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #273 on: May 27, 2007, 08:20:30 AM »
I've never seen the ones that replace the plug, only the oil tank cover, those ones are four or five times bigger, but still lack the surface area to provide any real cooling.

 May add a certain 'look' if you found a set of them.

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Re: Where area use it (oil cooler) of engine ?
« Reply #274 on: May 27, 2007, 08:56:01 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CB750-K-69-78-K-0-K-6-Oil-Cooler_W0QQitemZ270121870619QQihZ017QQcategoryZ35595QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 ;D I see at ebay . Do you think it work ?

It says it has a heat conducting fluid that transports the heat to the top. But there is has to be able to transfer to the environment.
On first sight a am with the others, not enough surface to transfer much heat.

But the proof of the cake is in the heating. Try it out and let us know.